Manipulative title, fuck off.
AOC's post:
Marjorie Taylor Greene’s amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza. Of course I voted against it.
What it does do is cut off defensive Iron Dome capacities while allowing the actual bombs killing Palestinians to continue.
I have long stated that I do not believe that adding to the death count of innocent victims to this war is constructive to its end. That is a simple and clear difference of opinion that has long been established.
I remain focused on cutting the flow of US munitions that are being used to perpetuate the genocide in Gaza.
So, this is a dumb explanation. It's like saying you would never support giving a knight a sword, just armor and a sheild. The armor and sheild are what let's him mow down peasants on the battlefield with impunity, you can't separate them out.
That being said, this is getting fucking ridiculous. The amendment was never going to pass (it got 6 votes), so this was entirely symbolic. Beyond that, she voted against the defense spending bill it was attached to, so in end, she didn't support arms to anyone. She's also one of the strongest voices on Gaza in congress (an admittedly low bar); she's been voting against sending arms to Israel since before October 7th, she usually votes, "present," on Iron Dome funding, and she's called what's happening in Gaza a genocide on the House floor. I can count on one hand the number of U.S. politicians willing to say, "genocide," when talking about Israel. Behind Omar and Talib, she's probably the most reliable pro-Palestinian Representative.
I'm assuming that she had some reason for voting against the amendment, and I assume it has to do with optics. Maybe she she thought siding with MTG would hurt her, maybe she thought voting against the Iron Dome would make her vulnerable to AIPAC attacks. It sucks, but Bowman and Bush both lost their seats to AIPAC money. The reality is you have to play politics sometimes, and if that means not making a symbolic vote for a doomed amendment, that's not the worst compromise to make.
I'm not sure I understand this argument. Everything is essentially money. If America gives them funding for the Iron Dome, that leaves Israel with more money to buy offensive weapons.
Exactly. Remember this when people claim we can turn the Democratic party with progessive candidates. The progressive candidates are the ones always turned by the Dems, not the other way around. It's their MO.
AOC is a beautifully blooming neoliberal, and it's time for all to stop worshipping her. She had proven over and over again that she'll vote for neo-liberal interests above all and justify it by wrapping it with a bow of humanity.
Think of all the American lives that could be saved with that money before you justify spending on the iron dome to protect foreigners from the consequences of committing Genocide. AOC is not your friend.
Do you even know how to read? Read her actual response. This amendment does NOTHING to stop aid to Israel.
She's not a neo liberal... Maybe she'll become a liberal at worst
I believe she's a good person, I believe she's a true blue progressive...I just think she has terrible political instincts. It seems like she's making backroom deals that don't benefit her positions or even herself
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And I don't think Bernie has been a good influence
We need fighters, and it's been too long since she actually fought. I still think she'll be part of the solution, but she's not panning out into what I hoped she'd be
I believe she's a good person, I believe she's a true blue progressive
Everything you typed after this implies the opposite. It's painful to accept that someone you admired might no longer be who you thought they were. But the sooner you let go of that attachment, the clearer things become. She is not your friend. You do not join the Democratic Party to fight it from within. You join it to become part of its machinery.
Look at her record and measure it against her rhetoric. She voted to fund the Iron Dome in 2021 and then cried on the House floor. That was not courage. That was shame. She has now voted against cutting funding to Israel’s military while bombs are falling on Gaza. She condemns genocide and then votes to fund it. That is not strategy. That is betrayal.
She avoids confrontation with her party even when that party is enabling mass death. She speaks of justice, then backs imperial budgets. She delays, reframes, and pacifies while Palestinians are being erased. Her presence is soothing for liberals and neutralizing for movements. She functions as a release valve. She gives you a reason to believe in a system that should be dismantled.
You said she might be making backroom deals that do not benefit her or her ideals. That is what co-optation looks like. It does not require corruption. It only requires surrender. It happens when staying in the room becomes more important than changing what the room represents.
It is not that she is inactive. It is that she actively helps preserve a violent status quo. That makes her dangerous in a different way. Not because she is cruel, but because she is trusted.
Being disappointed is honest. But if you continue to hold onto the belief that she is still part of the solution, you will miss what she has already become. She is no longer a fighter. She is now a barrier.
She's not a barrier, she's still signal boosting progressives all over. She's just not the fighter we need, but she's not truly compromised... At least not yet
We can't just totally disavow people at the first mistake. She's still on our team, even if she's getting valid criticism and responding terribly.
I honestly wonder why she came out crying, and since then has actually been consistent on the iron dome. What did Pelosi say? What did she show her? My guess is she showed her dead Israeli children from before the iron dome. Her position is coherent, it's just naive
And I think Bernie is the main reason she hasn't been vocal in her criticism for Democrats. AOC has been open in that she doesn't know what she's doing but is trying her best...I believe she's still is. Now she's just getting bad/dated guidance and turning into another Bernie
And Bernie has been consistent and good his entire career... I'm confident she'll be the same
That being said, I thought people were mostly being sexist when they said she was too young to be president... But now I just think she doesn't have the sauce
She's still on our side, she just can't be the leader. And that's disappointing
But no blood on the doors or Schumer or Jefferies.
This whole shitshow is just the octillionth example of the left biting its own dick off instead of attacking the fascists stomping on it.
Didn't pass the purity test. Back to being a field slave. Also, you personally aren't doing enough and are therefore colluding with the oppressors. I am infallible.
You are allowed to say you like progressive policies and also hate giving weapons to genociders.
Big swing and a miss for AOC there.
AOC doesn't miss. You're not listening to her or paying attention to the details/fine print. You can fuckin bet she is
You just posted evidence that you respond to clickbait headlines without knowing what the article says or is even about. Hallmark of a conservative voter
Cutting off defense seems like a dumb move and I agree with AOC on this. We should cease all offensive weaponry sales as that’s clearly being used in a god damn genocide.
Cutting defense means they would have to shift the budget to defense.
Moreover you're helping the aggressor protect itself against finding out the consequences of their own action.
Fuck that noise.
Funding is funding.
Cut it all off.
Why are we responsible for Israel's defense? they have free health care and education but our checkbook is open for iron dome missiles for them ? No. Thats American taxpayer money, not theirs. If they are rich enough to bribe the entire American government, then they are rich enough to buy their own missiles.
I bet that the US gets a lot of intel about the other countries in the region in return.
More than that, Isreal is basically a forward opperating base of the US in the middle east. They're just the US with Groucho Marx glasses on, our sock puppet for genocide and imperialism.
According to her, she voted no to this bill. I’m very confused by this article.
She didn't vote yes to the amendment to the bill to remove defensive funding. She voted no to the whole bill the amendment applied to IIRC.
Ahh, gotcha, so this is just a shit stirring article that tries to send a very misleading message
So we want civilians to be killed by rocket attacks now?
That makes it clear this "pro-Palestinian" movement is not actually against civilians being killed... they actually do want civilians to die. It's just they want only civilians of a specific ethnicity to die.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene’s amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
So there's a willingness of the "pro-Palestinian" movement to ally itself with anti-semites of the nationalist white supremacist variety. Nationalists and "socialists" finding common ground in their hatred of Jews. Where have I heard this one before?
Wait so, you would be ok with countries giving money to Hitler so they can build defense systems in Germany?
Not only this but I wouldn't trust a genocidal maniac state in not using this money for other military purposes. The best way of keeping civilians alive is ending the war not stoking it. Moreover such blocks can actually force Israel to transfer some of its offensive resources back to defensive. Not that I believe MTG's intentions were good.
you're being so disingenuous
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