Didn't pass the purity test. Back to being a field slave. Also, you personally aren't doing enough and are therefore colluding with the oppressors. I am infallible.
You are allowed to say you like progressive policies and also hate giving weapons to genociders.
Manipulative title, fuck off.
So we want civilians to be killed by rocket attacks now?
That makes it clear this "pro-Palestinian" movement is not actually against civilians being killed... they actually do want civilians to die. It's just they want only civilians of a specific ethnicity to die.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene’s amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
So there's a willingness of the "pro-Palestinian" movement to ally itself with anti-semites of the nationalist white supremacist variety. Nationalists and "socialists" finding common ground in their hatred of Jews. Where have I heard this one before?
Wait so, you would be ok with countries giving money to Hitler so they can build defense systems in Germany?
Not only this but I wouldn't trust a genocidal maniac state in not using this money for other military purposes. The best way of keeping civilians alive is ending the war not stoking it. Moreover such blocks can actually force Israel to transfer some of its offensive resources back to defensive. Not that I believe MTG's intentions were good.
Going full Godwin right out of the gate?
An odd move to make given you're aligning with a self described nationalist like MTG. I'd think given the position you're taking you'd want to downplay the references to Nazis.
I would say the same for you given that MGT's intensions are more likely to create a smear campaign than defend any particular ideology. And it is a good one I will give her that, whether or not AOC voted yes or no for this, she would be able to stoke a smear campaign one way or the other.
To be frank, I don't think she has any particular ideology that she is attached to anyway, it is more like there are some ideologies that she uses as a tool.
you're being so disingenuous
Oh, so you honestly believe Marjorie Taylor Greene suddenly has sympathy for the "pro-Palestinian" cause? Or is it possible she might have some other motivation for this amendment? What do you think MTG's motives are?
MTG absolutely did this because she's an anti-semitic freak who believes in jewish space lasers. But you're being disingenuous because it's obvious the co-signers aren't interested in her motivations.
What do you call two people voting with an antisemite? Three antisemites.
Look at the vote count. It was never going to pass. It wouldn't have changed the outcome no matter which way they voted, so it's purely a vote indicating their principles. They could've abstained (refusing to vote with nutjob MTG but also refusing to vote for funding), but instead voted with MTG to signal that they are fine with being in alignment with white supremacist antisemitism.
But now we know their principles are to vote with an antisemite to indicate they want Israeli civilians to die.
Yup called it (In a distant post) AOC is not a good person. Replace her with Zohran Mamdani
But no blood on the doors or Schumer or Jefferies.
This whole shitshow is just the octillionth example of the left biting its own dick off instead of attacking the fascists stomping on it.
AOC's post:
Marjorie Taylor Greene’s amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza. Of course I voted against it.
What it does do is cut off defensive Iron Dome capacities while allowing the actual bombs killing Palestinians to continue.
I have long stated that I do not believe that adding to the death count of innocent victims to this war is constructive to its end. That is a simple and clear difference of opinion that has long been established.
I remain focused on cutting the flow of US munitions that are being used to perpetuate the genocide in Gaza.
So, this is a dumb explanation. It's like saying you would never support giving a knight a sword, just armor and a sheild. The armor and sheild are what let's him mow down peasants on the battlefield with impunity, you can't separate them out.
That being said, this is getting fucking ridiculous. The amendment was never going to pass (it got 6 votes), so this was entirely symbolic. Beyond that, she voted against the defense spending bill it was attached to, so in end, she didn't support arms to anyone. She's also one of the strongest voices on Gaza in congress (an admittedly low bar); she's been voting against sending arms to Israel since before October 7th, she usually votes, "present," on Iron Dome funding, and she's called what's happening in Gaza a genocide on the House floor. I can count on one hand the number of U.S. politicians willing to say, "genocide," when talking about Israel. Behind Omar and Talib, she's probably the most reliable pro-Palestinian Representative.
I'm assuming that she had some reason for voting against the amendment, and I assume it has to do with optics. Maybe she she thought siding with MTG would hurt her, maybe she thought voting against the Iron Dome would make her vulnerable to AIPAC attacks. It sucks, but Bowman and Bush both lost their seats to AIPAC money. The reality is you have to play politics sometimes, and if that means not making a symbolic vote for a doomed amendment, that's not the worst compromise to make.
I'm not sure I understand this argument. Everything is essentially money. If America gives them funding for the Iron Dome, that leaves Israel with more money to buy offensive weapons.
Exactly. Remember this when people claim we can turn the Democratic party with progessive candidates. The progressive candidates are the ones always turned by the Dems, not the other way around. It's their MO.
Big swing and a miss for AOC there.
AOC doesn't miss. You're not listening to her or paying attention to the details/fine print. You can fuckin bet she is
Cutting off defense seems like a dumb move and I agree with AOC on this. We should cease all offensive weaponry sales as that’s clearly being used in a god damn genocide.
Cutting defense means they would have to shift the budget to defense.
Moreover you're helping the aggressor protect itself against finding out the consequences of their own action.
Fuck that noise.
Okay, but on the other hand, if they stopped providing defence aid to israel, they could then say that they stopped financing them and did enough, so they don’t have to stop offence funding for their genocide
Why are we responsible for Israel's defense? they have free health care and education but our checkbook is open for iron dome missiles for them ? No. Thats American taxpayer money, not theirs. If they are rich enough to bribe the entire American government, then they are rich enough to buy their own missiles.
I bet that the US gets a lot of intel about the other countries in the region in return.
Thats speculative, and even if true, its not worth the cost, or the problems allying with israel creates. Israel is not useful to the US and never have been. Its all cost.
Yes, it is speculative. That is what it means when a sentence starts with "I bet".
More than that, Isreal is basically a forward opperating base of the US in the middle east. They're just the US with Groucho Marx glasses on, our sock puppet for genocide and imperialism.
Thats just not true at all.
If true, then why doesnt Israel allow any actual operational bases inside Israel? There are no US warplanes flying out of Israel, and there never have been. They fly out of Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan-- which is actually a forward operating base that you pretend Israel is, and hosts British planes too. It was a big celebration when a navy ship was allowed to dock and resupply in israel in 2018, after no US warship had been allowed to dock in Israel in the previous 20 years.
The US has a shared radar site in the negev that has 10 people staffing it, that they are just now talking about building a barracks for, and also what they call a "base within a base" AKA a desk inside a Israeli military base. Not operational. Israel is not a FOB for the US, nor is it a "giant aircraft carrier" for the US.
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