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Yeah, it's like the whole "tomatoes are actually a fruit" thing. So are zucchinis and eggplants, but nobody ever brings that up. It's always tomatoes.
There's a botanical definition and a culinary definition. So, that doesn't mean that somebody who calls a tomato a vegetable is wrong. And don't put any tomatoes in my fruit salad!
Vegetable is also exclusively a culinary definition. Vegetables are essentially any edible plant structure that are not sweet and aren't the seeds directly (which are grains or nuts). Typically vegetables are flowers, leaves, stems, or roots, but some non-sweet fruits like cucumbers, peppers, and green beans are also squarely in the vegetable category despite definitely being fruits, no reason they can't be both.
And the concept of a vegetable varies culturally. I live in Germany and I consider mais vegetables (it feels weird to call it corn in this context since other grains aren't). In Romania (and elsewhere I guess) potatoes are a vegetable which they aren't for me.
So is potato like a grain to you? In the sense of treating it more like a staple?
Absolutely! Potatoes, grains (except mais) and legumes (except green beans) are carbs (or staples). Polenta is too, despite being made of mais.
I thought that's the default?
In the US carb is not a base category of food its a broader category in which things which are themselves in in other categories belong. EG vegetable and grain are base categories like meat.
Carrots, corn, and peas all poke holes in that definition. It's a culinary definition but also an arbitrary and subjective one, trying to define rules just makes it more ridiculous.
A tomato based fruit salad is called salsa.
It's intelligent to know that tomatoes are fruits and it's wise not to put then into a fruit salad