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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

How is it not?

ter·ror·ism

noun

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

They're using the threat of violence, and sometimes using violence, to push their agenda of Israeli expansion into Palestinian territory.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Ah, see it is lawful because Israel says so, therefore it doesn't qualify as terrorism. /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

the unlawful use

It's not unlawful to take land during a war. It's just shitty, in most instances.

This is why the settlements were (international viewed as) illegal (or, in the most generous of terms, of extremely questionable legality) prior to the war but aree authorized during the war specifically. Plays a lot better, in terms of international politics.

I would love to see the US make any aid to Israel conditional on a complete reversal of this policy and development of the West Bank in general. Would do a lot for the eventual peace process, as a nice side effect.

Edit: from the link in the article, about the background here

The deal would include gestures to the Palestinians. Among the suggestions has been a freeze in West Bank settlement activity, including the authorizations of outposts. Netanyahu’s government has been opposed to any such demand within the context of the Saudi deal or any other framework.

Prior to the war's start, it was very politically unpopular for them to build settlements on outpost territory. Not the gloves are off, because they have plausible reasons in the international community.

The US has the power to take that plausible reason away, and should do so.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, if this is a war, they basically have the same rights as Ukraine as they fight for the integrity of their land? Is that what you're saying?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The people of the west bank (and Gaza) absolutely have the right to fight back right now. I wouldn't recommend it as an outsider, because they're going to lose, but I'd do it if I was there, because I'm an idiot.

They didn't have the (internationally recognized) right to engage in hostilities, prior to the 10/7 terrorist attacks.

Worth noting this land is already Israeli land within the West Bank. They are outposts similar to US military bases.

You and I can disagree with Israel on the morality of that, but the international community absolutely recognizes this land as Israeli (outside the Muslim block of the UN, which doesn't really recognize Israel as a state still.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Thank you for your reasonable voice. Reading comments here about this topic can be very frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

which doesn’t really recognize Israel as a state still.

Even Saudi Arabia is considering to normalize relationship with Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is why Hamas attacked Israel in October, to try to disrupt that normalization, because Israel's "aggressive" strategies are as predictable as the tides.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is no war in the west bank. They are involved in a drastic increase of settler violence, colonialist land grabs, judicial violence and ecocide. Behaviour that has been observed for decades and that has seen a significant increase even before the Gaza strip war, and has seen an outright explosion following Israel's increase of wanton and indiscriminate violence in Gaza perpetrated by the IDF.

All of this violence in the west bank has been thoroughly documented by HRW and B'Tselem. The Israeli settler's and the IDF's behaviour is decidedly not a consequence of 'the war', and any claim made as such fails to take into account that this behaviour has seen an upwards trend for a decade at least, and is therefore merely a continuation, albeit a stark increase.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

There is no war in the west bank.

Per the article, Israel has declared war on the West Bank when they declared war against Hamas.

I find that declaration sweeping and a bit difficult to defend, but it has happened.

All of this violence in the west bank has been thoroughly documented by HRW and B’Tselem. The Israeli settler’s and the IDF’s behaviour is decidedly not a consequence of ‘the war’

This current violence is absolutely predicated upon the war legally, and more importantly in human terms, driven by hate - which is most assuredly because of the war.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s not unlawful to take land during a war. It’s just shitty, in most instances.

It is illegal to take land during a war. Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Boy someone better tell literally every country on the planet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They did, that's why it's illegal now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Hey broski, you should've clicked some links in your Wikipedia article.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cession

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

Israel didn't start that war btw. Jordan, Syria and Egypt dont want the land.

Kind of similar to how Palestine has never been a country throughout all of human history. The only country that ever reliably tried to create a state of Palestine was Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's the specific claim you're making? Israel did in fact start that war, with a "preemptive" air raid meant to cripple Egypt's air force. And the political history of the region doesn't abrogate the right of its long-established inhabitants to the land - this is an Israeli propaganda talking point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel did in fact start that war, with a “preemptive” air raid meant to cripple Egypt’s air force.

Lmao what

In the months prior to the outbreak of the Six-Day War in June 1967, tensions again became dangerously heightened: Israel reiterated its post-1956 position that another Egyptian closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping would be a definite casus belli. In May 1967, Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser announced that the Straits of Tiran would again be closed to Israeli vessels. He subsequently mobilized the Egyptian military into defensive lines along the border with Israel[31] and ordered the immediate withdrawal of all UNEF personnel.[32][24]

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes, the Wikipedia article you're quoting goes on to state:

On 5 June 1967, as the UNEF was in the process of leaving the zone, Israel launched a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields and other facilities, launching its war effort.[24] Egyptian forces were caught by surprise, and nearly all of Egypt's military aerial assets were destroyed, giving Israel air supremacy.

You can shut up now tbph. Not responding further.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

"We'll consider it a Cassus Belli if you blockade us"

Blockades and gets attacked

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