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looking for resources on ABA written by level 2 or level 3 autistics (feddit.de)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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CW: Post discusses ABA and possibly Trauma, internalized ableism

Hello there! I'm currently researching the issue of ABA. I'm reading a lot about the criticisms, but most of the resources I found so far are (likely) made by level 1 autistics. As level 2 and level 3 autistics are not as well represented within autism self-advocacy, I would like to understand their position better on the topic. A usual defense for ABA is that it can help high-support-needs autistics to learn important skills, but I would like to read about that from an autistic perspective.

So if there are resources on the subject you can recommend, I'll be grateful! thank you

edit: I'm updating because users in this thread changed my view on this issue. I've been caught up in functioning label, which at the end of the day "levels" of autism still are. Here is what changed my mind:

Those needs you are looking for in an autistic person are completely and utterly irrelevant to you as a reader of their experience, and as far as you’re concerned any or all of the people who have already written about their experience of ABA fit in to your narrow and ignorant category, they just didn’t mention it because again - it isn’t fucking relevant.

There is no reason for me to specifically look for "level 2 or 3" autistics since their experiences are valid, regardless of them disclosing their support needs. It is ableist to expect them to disclose to me how "disabled" they are in order for me to validate their experience. Thanks @[email protected] and @[email protected] for helping me understand this. So in a way I found the answers I was looking for, and now I have some thinking to do

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

thanks for the links. To clarify, I oppose "functioning labels" like "severe" or "mild" autism. However, I think it is important to say that some autistics feel more disabled by their autism than others. Support need vary, and there should be a way to express that. If you have another term that is better, I'm all open to hear that! Finding good terms isn't always easy. Doesn't mean any one is better than the other. I agree with you insofar that any kind of "ranking" - as you say, is very misleading. I am usually called "mildly autistic" when I disclose my autism. Which is not how I experience it. I'd personally be more comfortable with being called a high masking autistic, as it doesn't invalidate my experience as much. Again, I am open for better words here. What I read about people who identify as level 2 or 3 autistics is that it is important to them to make some distinction, as their experience is quite different from people with lower support needs.

You not wanting to listen to them, or not considering them “enough” to satisfy whatever need it is you have (which I genuinely don’t understand), is a you problem.

You misunderstand me here. I precisely want to listen to them. What I am looking for is perspectives from people who dealt with more impairing issues (eg problems getting dressed, basic hygiene, trouble to communicate basic needs etc). I haven't seen the perspectives from these particular people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

perspectives from people who dealt with more impairing issues (eg problems getting dressed, basic hygiene, trouble to communicate basic needs etc)

So those are all me. ABA still sucks. Im okay with admitting that, but I would think that you’d have to be pretty vulnerable to share that info, and not everyone is there. Maybe you have received perspectives from people with those issues who have chosen to not communicate those aspects of their selves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Right? It's like this person is looking for some messed up twist on inspiration porn/voyeuristic experience where they need to read about how hard a person might find to wipe their ass before they'll consider their experience relevant, it's such bizarre, and ableist, gatekeeping..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

ouch, that hurts. But point taken.

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