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I'm just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person's initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.
Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it's because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don't know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there's been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there's a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)
I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”
Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU
Yep. I've learned this long ago. No use getting into an internet fight. It's not going to change anything but your mood
How do I upvote you more than once?
Not only is your argument well thought out, but your observations closley match those I've seen.
I chronically search by all>new, and other than people reposting screenshots (from a month ago) of Grad's outrage at being de-federated, I have yet to see tankie posts.
Honestly, I think the two sides (tankie and anti tankie) are both teenager/20s looking at their side with rose coloured glasses.
Have you heard of our bae communism? Never mind that ugly business in 1970s Cambodia tee hee.
Have you heard about our bae Fascism? Franco did nothing wrong!
Well for one I'm grateful to read at least someone thought it was a reasonable opinion because I've seem to have gotten a personal record of people mad.
I thought we could be done with the Reddit-style attitude towards downvotes (especially with votes being public and all), I'm talking about people who are not even in the conversation and just happen to be lurking and downvote because they don't like your comment or whatever. Such a lame thing to do.
If you disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.
I made a post about exactly this.
This is consistent with my experience. Haven't seen any tankie content, but I've seen constant whining about commies from people who are still upset about the fall of Berlin.
I won't be playing the game of what-aboutism. Authoritarianism is bad no matter where it appears. It exists on both sides of the political aisle, and it should be rebuked every time, regardless of how prevalent you think it is on your team.
@JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton
Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else's throat?
How about a Hard-Leftist that crafted, then got passed a law that restricts the choices of the hard-right?
Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I'm unaware of?
I'm not saying the Left is perfect, but I call bullshit on the equivocation of the 2 sides.
Sure. Last year Biden issued an executive order to enshrine gender transition for children across the entire nation. The vast majority of Americans oppose "gender affirming care" for children. In red states, support is even lower. Biden should have left this up to individuals, parents, and states, but instead decided that his and his party's values should be shoved down the throats of the entire nation.
Here is one mass shooter. Aiden Hale was trans, and killed students and teachers at a christian school. Aiden wrote a manifesto, but the police are yet to release it.
Here is another. Kimbrady Carriker is a BLM and pride supporting, cross-dressing, mass-shooter.
Here is a "non-binary" shooter.
Here is another trans shooter.
And another.
I fully expect you to play the game of "but they're not REEEEEAL leftists," and I don't care. I'm not claiming that both sides are equivalent. I'm saying that authoritarianism is always bad, no matter where it appears.
Interesting how you neglected to bring up all of the straight, white, male, conservative, cisgender mass shooters that outweigh LGBT/BLM shooters by several orders of magnitude. Acting like the issue doesn't skew drastically in one direction is disingenuous at best.
Joseph “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden is a hard-leftist now?
@NXTR @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton @JasSmith
You would have to ask JasSmith that question.
I'm asking you, now directly, to stop quoting me in every single comment. Jeez dude.
This may be the dumbest, least accurate thing I have ever read. Are you Mike Lyndell?
and there it fucking is
@JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton
Lets start with the easy one:
So Biden's trans-gender EO is forcing children to transition?!?!
OR
Giving them a choice?
I could not care less about what "Red States" want, since they haven proven they've lost their minds.
They don't want, they DEMAND, a religious nation, under their personal God, because he's the bestest one, in a country founded, in part, on religious freedom.
I'm at work, but I'll take a look at those shooter articles.
@JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton
As far as what you "fully expect", that's mostly why I plan to exit this conversation. Not because I don't have rebuttals, but you've already made your decision about who I am, what I think and what I'm going to say, so, honestly, why bother?
I think they're rebuking people for being hypocritical and not actually paying attention; like fascism really is the bigger danger rn, while most people in the US at least have like kneejerk negative reactions to the concept of communism
like it is not a "both sides are equally bad" thing