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Even with good public transit I'd have to sell my house and move to get a job and travel with public transit. I feel like that's a bit excessive if I had to get another one and move more. My commutes 250 miles a week and I was using a tank of gas a week. Went electric and I use 20-30kW to charge per day. 16k miles in on my first year. Hopefully one day I'll get solar installed and reduce even more too.
Solar is pretty damn sweet. My only gripe is that I installed my system before getting an EV, so during a couple winter months I sometimes have to use electricity from the grid. Not a lot, but just enough to make me mad that I'm not 100% self sufficient. Had I gotten an EV before installing solar, I could have gotten a bigger system.
My power company has some rules that say I can't do net metering with them if I install a system that was greater than 100% of my average annual usage or some BS.
Ouch that sucks. I don't want a roof install though that seems the most common. I got a half acre open land with farm land east and west with no trees so I figured I could do a decent size system.
That's awesome. There's a guy I've met in a small town in Iowa that has a setup like that and he lets people use his Tesla charger since it doesn't cost him anything.
The thing with public transit vs EVs though is targeted towards governments and corporations, not necessarily to individuals
So, you got yourself a bicycle (e- or otherwise) yet?
Yeah? I even go grocery shopping with mine.
I’m yet to own my first car, but I certainly appreciate when people getting one go for EV over ICE.
Never mind how the US is laid out, a lot of people -- myself included -- do not want to and will never live in an urban environment. I realize that makes the "fuckcars" contingent salty, but that's just tough shit for them.
I'm big on urbanism and walkable cities and absolutely don't mind people who don't want to live in cities. We don't tend to argue rural areas shouldn't exist, but rather point out that suburban areas have a lot of problems and are way more common than they should be, when looking at demand for mixed use development, walkable cities, etc.
For what it's worth, for most of human existence rural towns existed without need for cars, so there's still some truth to the idea that America has been rebuilt for the car, even in rural areas. There's a variety of explanations out there for why and how they worked, but one I'm a fan of is how many rural towns would organize around a central "main street", and keep the houses near it while the rest of their land spread outward. That way food, entertainment, and neighbors were all still easily accessible despite the large average amount of land.
And tbh, even setting that aside, I don't think many urbanists actually have an issue with rural areas. The movement really focuses on suburbia. A lot of the problems stem from suburbs being spread out like rural areas, but with city level amenities, without paying the amount of taxes to get those amenities that far out. Most notably, paved roads are extremely expensive to maintain and gas taxes are not high enough to pay for it. But to some extent most services suburbs get are going to be subsidized by those living in a nearby city, because it's just so much cheaper to provide those services when everyone lives closer together. And besides the subsidization, suburbs (unlike both cities and rural towns) just have a lot of qualities to them that make them bad for the environment and unpleasant and dangerous to live in - I understand not wanting to live in a city, but no one thinks hour long commutes through rush hour traffic is a positive.
We used to have both I don't know why governments threw out the extensive transit systems the US once had.
I'm currently learning to drive but I think, unfortunately, my first car will be ICE.
I'll be looking into various different vehicles when I've passed my practical test so I'm not ruling EVs or PHEVs yet, but it's looking unlikely.
Understandable. Consider that one of the biggest things you can do is just buy a smaller vehicle. I gave up my car about 12 years ago, but I'm considering buying something like a Vespa now for errands around town. They get 90+ mpg! If you can't go that small, just try not to buy bigger than what you need for 90% of trips.
For the last decade I've mostly rented vehicles for trips to the coast and things like that. Even if I did that once a month it would be far cheaper than owning a car. I recommend this route to anyone who doesn't want to buy more car than they need.
My Honda Metropolitan gets one hundred and seventeen MPG.
https://lemmy.world/post/7449419
Look, nothing wrong with an ICE especially starting off. Ease up on use, drive safe and swap when you are able. Don't take on the worlds problems when you aren't even secure in yourself yet - leave those sacrifices for us until you can.
I can totally understand that, I think its not a wise option to buy a new ICE car, but a cheap used older car can be a good option until you are able to buy an EV.
I have an ICE car as well, because it just didnt make sense for me to buy an EV a few years ago, I couldnt afford it and there wasnt a suitable one available in Germany.
I do use my bike quite a lot, so I dont think its too bad.
We already had it.. I die a little inside every time I see the tracks when the roads are being resurfaced. Last ride was in the 40's
It was all electric already built, and it was super extensive.. It didn't even have to deal with traffic
But it's not a good solution. In fact it's not a solution at all. EVs aren't going to save the environment, they're going to perpetuate our reliance on personal vehicles.
Oh my go that's literally the point of my whole comment. You stated that EVs are a good solution. They are not a solution at all.
It's not a matter of perfect being the enemy of good, it's a matter of people mistakenly thinking that personal EVs are a solution. They are not a solution at all, they only serve as placebo to make people feel good while while continuing the same habits and relying on the same infrastructure that caused all this in the first place.
That was literally the point. Continuing with the same sprawling, oversized infrastructure built for personal, usually single-occupancy vehicles is not going to solve climate change. We are so far gone the only real, actual, solutions are in fact drastic, society changing measures. So your solution is for us to keep doing the same thing we already are but with 20% less pollution? While the earth is already past the 1.5C global warming mark? If that's your best solution then it's not a solution.
EVs are here to save the automobile, not the environment.
We are always going to need some cars, even with the best public transit available.
Builders, for example, need to transport their supplies to construction sites, etc.
I think thats where EVs are going to be a solution, and in the meantime they can be a stopgap to reduce emissions while improving the infrastructure.
Some EVs are pretty good solutions. They're just not cars. They're trains and bikes.