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'I Think We Should Kill 'Em All,' GOP Rep. Andy Ogles Says of Palestinians in Gaza
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Shove this in the face of the GeNoCiDe JoE!!1!1!1 idiots who can’t seem to grasp that they face a binary decision.
What's fun is that I regularly ask, "who should I vote for to prevent Trump from being president?" I rarely get an answer, but I do get told I support genocide. It's extra-fun when I tell them I want to stop Trump to stop people like my queer daughter from being the victims of a genocide. That often makes them double down on telling me how much I want there to be a genocide.
I've even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter's life.
I am extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and absolutely condemn Israel's genocide... but at the expense of my own child's life? Fuck no.
Anything to stop Trump and Republicans from putting queer people in "conversion" camps where they're tortured to death. Because that's the goal.
Last election I got to vote for "grab 'em by the pussy" or "black kids are just as good as rich kids" (or something similar. I can't remember the quote exactly and I don't have time to look it up).
This election I get to vote for genocide or genocide. I can't wait.
Edit: I'll take Biden over Trump any day. Trump terrifies me. I'm terrified of how many Americans are going to die if he wins. But I hate that these are our options.
One of these people was trying to do some good and made a verbal fumble probably caused by years of conditioning that got him where he is today and yes, old people say stuff like this by accident. He probably does have racist thoughts that he knows are bullshit but were put there by the shit job older generations have done in building society.
The other guy is a raging psycho who echoes Hitler phrases in his speeches.
Maybe vote to stop genocide of people in the country in which you live over a genocide that would happen whether or not Biden was in office because Trump would support it too.
Show me the current genocide of queer people in america.
Show me 1000’s of queer people being starved, left without power, medical help, water.
The same place the genocide of queer people in Germany was in 1932. Do you know what happened in 1933? Do you know what happened between 1933 and 1945?
But please, do tell me who I should vote for that has a statistically likely chance of winning the U.S. presidential election in November and will also definitely end the genocide in Israel. Give me that name.
Idgaf who you vote for.
Once again, you do you, but don’t come to me wanting my vote to help you re-elect Ol’ Genocidin Biden.
I’m not here to stop you, I am here to make sure everyone realizes they are supporting someone who has ACTIVELY helped Israel commit genocidal actions.
Not passively, he bypassed congress twice already to send them more fucking shells.
You are once again hung up on what someone might do compared to what they know someone else is doing.
Because you don't care about queer people.
Because you don't care about queer people.
I'm sure you think that because you don't care about queer people.
After the first 20 times you use that excuse it stops working.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact.
You think a moral victory that will in no way stop any genocides is more important than stopping a potential genocide that is just as possible as what happened in Germany in 1933.
You do know what happened in Germany in 1933, right?
For example, in May, this happened: https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/6-may-1933-looting-of-the-institute-of-sexology/
And by 1939- before the Holocaust, before war even broke out, there were tens of thousands fewer gay men alive in Germany than there had been in 1932.
Did you even know about any of that that? Probably not since you don't give a shit about queer people.
But in 1932, you would have told me that's okay because even if Hitler does get in, queer people and the people that love them shouldn't worry about any potential genocide, and besides, Paul von Hindenburg did nothing about Stalin's genocide in the Ukraine and maintained friendly relations with Stalin, so if you vote for Hindenburg, you vote for genocide.
And yes, I am comparing the guy who kept a book of Hitler speeches by his bedside and quotes Mein Kampf to Hitler.
You forgot pink triangles.
That's your only response to everything I wrote, huh?
Well that certainly proves that you don't give a shit about queer people. Even if you call that obvious fact an excuse.
By the way, "excuse" is an interesting word to use. It implies that it is, indeed, true that you don't give a shit about queer people, but I'm only bringing that up to cover for something else.
Wonder why you would use that word?
Is it because you don't give a shit about queer people?
My friend, I use the word excuse in relation to you.
It implies that I don’t believe that you actually care this much and are using it to help you excuse your poor behavior( supporting candidates who are actively supporting genocidal actions against children) by saying “Look how much I care about this, just ignore every other flaw in my argument because of this big gay rights flag I am flying.”
I can’t believe I have to say this AGAIN!!!
Fuck The stupid fucking Cheeto in chief. He supports bad policies.
Fuck unlimited support for Israel Biden. He assists in others committing genocidal actions.
They both have flaws, they both don’t give a shit about brown people( Trump obviously, but “You ain’t black” Biden as well)
They both say they support genocidal actions.
Biden might be better, but he isn’t good enough.
We deserve better and every single time you VBNMW you drive us further away from a future in which your daughter does not have to worry.
You are driving them farther and farther and farther right every time you support them regardless of what they do.
Why do they give a fuck what you think, they can just take it a little later with way less fight, one step at a time.
Let them know that if they don’t get on board they won’t get power.
I can't believe anyone is so fucking willfully ignorant they can't see how much worse Trump is, but here we are.
You need to stop having those conversations and focus on what's important. Right now, if the election were to be held, Trump wins in a landslide according to the polls (assuming EC more or less follows the popular trend).
What do you need to do before November to ensure that your queer daughter is protected in the extremely likely case of a 2nd Trump administration?
I just hope they learn before it's too late that the people who stand idly by and/or vote in support of genocide of Palestinians because they're not Palestinian are the same people who will do the same with queer people like us because they're not queer.
They're already turning the corner on immigrants. The recent Dem bill is more extreme than any border laws passed under Trump. And now it's getting even more extreme with the new bipartisan version.
Stop using us as a shield to protect your horrific genocide. I wonder if their daughter even knows they're appropriating her queerness to support slaughtering tens of thousands of children.
Excuse me? Appropriating? Trying to save her fucking life is appropriation?
Taking her being queer and using it as an excuse to ignore the slaughter of @innocents?
Yep you are appropriating her queer status to use.
In what way am I ignoring Israel's genocide? I discuss it here on a daily basis.
It's not a Dem bill; it's a bipartisan bill. It was the Democrats compromising in order to save Ukraine.
And your last paragraph is just disgusting. No one's using you as a shield here. And no one is 'appropriating her queerness'.
Do you have any idea what you're even going on about? You seem to feel pretty strongly about it while not knowing what you're talking about. That or you're just buying into some sort of propaganda without thinking about it, which I guess amounts to the same.
They're actually correct in how this thread is using queer people as shields for Israel's genocide
There are queer Palestinians as well. Although there are far fewer today than there were 5 months ago
One of my closest friends moved to Tennessee right before his adolescent daughter came out as queer a few years back. I feel so bad for that kid. Her family is supportive of her, at least, but what a nightmare place to have to live as a gay kid.
Oh wow, yeah, that must suck. Poor girl.
Genocide is a hell of a fucking wedge issue.
It becomes a lot easier to get someone to trade up active current genocide for non-active future genocide. That anything works both ways and the GOP knows.
Not to mention trump would do the same if not worse in terms of foreign policy "genocide"
Edit - my quoting of genocide was not to imply I find it farcicle, just to be clear.
Agreed, although they usually say I shouldn't vote for either option as if there is a viable third possibility of a winner even though they never name that person when I asked... except for one guy. He said Cornel West. His reasoning? Both Trump and Biden could die before November and then Cornel West would win because anything is possible in the universe. Seriously.
I mean, many things are possible, including that outcome, whereas FTL and time travel do not seem to be possible. The question is, how probable is that outcome, and can you do anything to steer matters to it in a realistic way? I'd have to say that anyone sane enough to actually effect that outcome is too sane to come within a kilometer of even spending the time to plan it, let alone actually try it and die on the protective detail's bullets.
Honestly, I'd rate FTL and time travel as slightly more probable than electing a third-party candidate as President.
The orange mobster has displayed his intentions against Muslims and it is far worse. Biden has sent several envoys to warn Israel that what they are doing is alienating the world and consolidating Arab support against them which will result in even more violence against Israel. For Biden to go against Israel publicly would hand the election to the orange tyrant.
I think these people are more typically from troll farms than genuinely pro-Palestine, but some of theme probably are that stupid as well. I guess it's a mixed bag.
We are just sick of our government assisting Israel in its genocidal actions.
You want my vote, earn it.
There's plenty of stupid out there. I tend to go by Hanlon's razor for this sort of thing: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I think that motto has been losing it's power recently. Ol' Hanlon didn't conceive of malicious stupidity
The reach of Troll Farms is very broad and very deep: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/amp/
I'm not making excuses for anyone here --
I expect it is extremely confusing for many people when "Jewish" is a religion, an ethnicity, a nationality, a nation, and a political football. This leads to anything the Israeli government opposes to be construed in the same light, which is how we get people equating "Palestinians living in severe apartheid conditions inside the borders of the nation of Israel" with "Hamas." And, of course, anyone who opposes the actions of the Israeli government is likely to get branded "antisemitic," because if you oppose the Jewish nation you must also oppose the Jewish religion, ethnicity, and nationality, right? (Narrator: Wrong.)
Because of this conflation of so many different things being called the same thing, I try to make absolutely clear what I'm talking about (when I dare dip my toe into those shark-infested waters). Hamas fucking sucks. The Israeli government fucking sucks. What both of those entities do - and have done for a very long time - demonstrate that they are both genocidal shitbags. Supporters of either, be they Israeli citizens, Palestinians, or third parties, fucking suck right alongside them.
But I'm talking about a domestic issue here.
The fact is, both Trump and Biden will support genocide in Israel... but only one of them might commit genocide on queer people domestically. And it isn't Biden.
I will do anything I can to keep my daughter and all other queer people safe. That means keeping Trump out of office at all costs. If voting for someone else will do that, great. Until someone tells me who that person is, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Biden.