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I understand when people speak about the ethical problems with eating meat, but I think they do not apply to fish.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think they apply to most animals either, so yes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey everyone, this guy doesn't believe in ethics so we can all do whatever we want!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said no such thing. I said the supposed ethical problems with eating animals referenced by OP are not ones I think apply to most animals, and so it is ethical to eat them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What "supposed" ethical problems are you referring to that you're hand waving away then? That farm animals are cute? How about overfishing, destruction of marine environments, bycatch, pollution caused by and left in the sea by fishing, evidence that fish feel pain and that some are proven to have more complex intelligence than other animals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So because eating fish has ethical problems it's ethical to eat them?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, it's difficult to have a discussion with people when they won't actually engage in a discussion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks again, your compliments mean so much to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do not believe there are any ethical problems to eating fish, or most other animals used for meat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not really how ethical problems work. They are supposed to define why we should or shouldn't do something. Even saying "nah dawg, fish tasty" would be more reasoning than you've provided.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've not provided any reasons sufficient for me to consider eating fish or meat unethical. The issues you mentioned are ones I consider morally irrelevant to the ethical nature of eating these animals, and so I reject the claim that it is unethical.

That is precisely how ethics works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, you consider it ethical to bycatch, fish species to extinction, destroy marine environments and pollute the ocean freely despite there being ample alternatives to receive the nutrients you can get from fish? Please explain how these are irrelevant. Unless you personally catch each of your fish?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said no such thing. None of that has any bearing on whether it is ethical to eat fish.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks again for the thorough explanation of why you believe all of these related ethical issues are not related.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're the one claiming they are, and you've failed to provide any support. The burden of proof is on you to show that it is unethical. A claim which is asserted without support can be dismissed just as easily.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, yeah, claim like "yeah it's ethical to eat fish" with no reasoning behind it despite much prompting. You're basically claiming the that either the points I've mentioned are not things that happen, or that they are totally ethical to do. So I'm not going to waste my time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am merely rejecting your claims that it is unethical, as you haven't provided any grounds to support it.

I never claimed either that the points you mentioned do not happen or that they are ethical to do. I said they are irrelevant to the question of whether it is ethical to eat fish and meat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Very well thought out.