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A Boring Dystopia
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Being born to a criminal?? In a jail no less?
Generational trauma is hard to escape.
I am making the assumption that she wasn't wrongfully imprisoned, yes. The only context I have to go on is that she's never spoken to her daughter.
Why are you assuming she wasn't a criminal? Are white women statistically likely to be sent to jail for minor crimes?
You're out here wishfully thinking and making a ton of assumptions based on nothing and I'm saying she was born with half the support structure therefore had more hurdles to jump. Why are we talking about the mother's crime again?
Ironically this is exactly what I said would happen in my first post - someone jumping through hoops to spin this as dystopian
I'm not gonna bother quoting you because it's pretty easy to follow. You were going on about how society deemed her mother a criminal which sure sounds like you're assuming what she did wasn't worthy of getting sent to jail and I'm asking....why are we talking about the mother? The story is about the daughter.
The hoops you're jumping through is going from a story about a girl overcoming obstacles to talking about how being in jail is bad. It simply does not matter for this story. We're not talking about the morals of incarceration.
Are you incapable of being happy about something because something else is bad? If I told you I found a $20 on the ground, would you remind me that capitalism is destroying the world? Such a downer.
Perpetrators play a not-insignificant role in deciding who is a criminal.
Your claim does not arise from my comment. From my comment, you can only infer the perpetrator's responsibility.
The context is certainly relevant. Your comment dehumanizes and objectifies her. You insinuate that events were imposed upon her.
My comment recognizes her own role. She was able to affect her own destiny, by making decisions and taking actions affecting herself and those around her.
You would deprive her of the effectiveness of her acts, rendering them meaningless. You would strip her of her agency.
Nah, they are only taking her freedom. You are the one stripping her of her agency. You're taking away even the possibility of consequences. You're treating her as an infant, or as the legally insane, incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong, and thus necessitating protection from ever having to decide between the two.
Until you address the actual circumstances of her incarceration, we can make no determination as to whether she is a victim. Until we can evaluate her role, we cannot determine whether she is perpetrator of crime or victim of injustice.
Pregnancy is not exculpatory evidence.
In a different timeline, she grew up to be Bane