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21 day old account. Most posts are about not voting in the election to support Palestine. While what's happening in Gaza is genocide, this account smells like a Russian shill trying to spread FUD in the form of memes. The key part of diplomacy is not running around telling everyone what's being discussed in private. We shouldn't hear about potential deals until they are decided on. If Trump wins, he'll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.
After you wrote this comment, OP made a concern troll post on the Men's Liberation community.
You were totally on point about the FUD thing.
Yeah... I'm only surprised that they shifted tactics so quickly. Fear, Unrest, and Doubt are the key tactics in Russian Disinfo campaigns. There's an old axiom: If someone is trying to make you feel strongly about something, then they are trying to sell you something. In this case, OP Is trying to piss people off in order to convince them of propaganda and Russian talking points.
BULLSHIT.
The thing that it seems most of them are trying to sell everyone on is to not vote- which is exactly what most right-wing and Russian propaganda also seem to want.
Did you ever notice that the people they’re pleading to also never seem to be Trump supporters? Did you ever notice that it’s almost ALWAYS “don’t vote for Biden” rhetoric?
Did you ever wonder why?
And it’s very easy to say that maybe, just MAYBE… they’re suggesting no one vote for either, but everyone knows who they’re really talking to.
it says don't JUST vote. that means vote and then do more. your accusation of shilling is disgusting.
Calling others shill is like the go-to accusation these days
its a cointelpro tactic commonly called "badjacketing". i don't know why it's tolerated on lemmy when it can so easily be stamped out.
Do you really expect the people who call everybody they disagree with a shill to be able to read?
If Biden listens more then does popular things, the effect won't be in Putin's interest. Just saying.
Biden needs to pull voters from Trump.
There are two types of Democrat voters today. Those who will suck it up and vote for him because he's not trump, and those who will find some excuse to not vote for him because he's not perfect. If he does the right thing for Palestine, they'll complain it wasn't fast enough, or they'll complain about his stance on marijuana, or on the environment, or on some other random thing.
"Not perfect" uhh that's incredibly hyperbolic. A piece of cheese could do just as well as Biden has as president. He's appealed to the right and the banks far more than to the left at a time when issues like those you mentioned desperately need to be addressed ASAP. He's made little strides in the right direction but if you look deeply into any of his policies they're more posturing than anything. I've said it here before but in a reasonable world he'd be running as a Republican. The left can and should disown him given his history, connections and actions.
Biden is a republican.
He's a Democrat, thus more than 50% Republican.
You are misunderstanding online discussions. Critiques of Biden's stances on issues like marijuana, comes from a place of trying to help Biden win. Only trolls would claim they stopped voting for Democrats because they didn't legalize weed. "As a gay black man" type posters.
Genocide is different. Blaming progressive voters because they refuse to arm a genocide is a twisted thing to do. And people online need to realize how they are only making things worse with this genocide complicity.
I really wish this was true, it feels like every time I try to be charitable I end up getting burned.
And heaven knows Biden needs to be criticized, because even a ton of Democrats are getting righteously pissed off at him. If we have another 2016 situation, I think the backlash to him would be more justified than the backlash to Hillary Clinton's pathetic campaigning, at least before we all got annihilated by a nuclear bomb or executed by a gang of blackshirts sent out by Trump's executive order 66.
Especially because it was implicit that Biden would step down and did not pursue a second term, gracefully abdicating the position to somebody, almost anybody else.
So yall have been alienating gay black men from lemmy? wtf?
He's buddies with Netanyahu and IIUC moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
Yes yes, genocide is super bad. Totally agree.
If you could point me to a candidate with a realistic chance to win that has no genocide, I'm happy to vote for them. But last I checked we were in the United States which has first past the post voting, so we don't get that option. We don't vote FOR candidates, we vote AGAINST the ones we like least.
I would be thrilled if I was somehow wrong, and would love for you to help me understand.
'not perfect' is a big leap from 'also evil as fuck', which is what he is.
Your post history is 100% "Democrats bad," so if anything, this post is an exception and not the rule. I can ignore the bit about Russia and their point stands even stronger.
I simply reply to the sentiment I see on this platform. If it was pro-Trump I would critique that.
Then either you aren't looking, or you just don't want to see.
Can you give me an example of a pro-Trump post that was recently in top? i see a couple right now against Trump.
I reject this goalpost shift.
I was responding to "the sentiment I see on this platform" because I don't have to look far to see people engaging in bothsides-ist rhetoric. That shit always favors the worse side.
For example: Here's somebody who believes America should have remained neutral in World War II.
lol in what world is that 'top', it's a heavily downvoted thread inside a centrist cj post
@[email protected] also shifted the goalposts from "sentiment" to "top posts." I was clarifying what I said before the goalpost shift.
I'm not a native speaker so bear with me, but from what I saw, they said "I simply reply to the sentiment I see on this platform, if it was pro-trump I would critique that"
ie: If I'm online and replying to things it's going to be the most common sentiment- which from my own personal experience it's not pro-Trump.
From my reading you were the one trying to twist that meaning from "majority sentiment is pro-democrats" to "there are no reactionaries on this platform"
its not a goalpost shift, you claimed they werent seeing pro trump posts, and they asked for evidence. It is a fact that the platform as a whole is extremely anti trump.
Not everyone. But it certainly seems like you are.
I voted Uncommitted, if not voting for a genocider is really gonna get Trump elected maybe Biden should start listening to someone other than the demonic Beau Biden lookalikes running around the oval office.
I'm glad you voted your heart in the primary. But I also really hope you are smart enough to vote him in the general.
That really depends on if the Democrats are actually ride or die on this whole genocide thing.
Democrats are more likely to waver on the Palestinian genocide then the Republicans. But even assuming that they have the exact same positions, Republicans still have measurably worse positions on pretty much everything else.
I enjoy enough privilege to not be troubled by Republican policies, but many of my comrades do not enjoy that same privilege. I vote on their behalf too.
Democrats are not supporting genocide no matter how you try and sell it to people. It needs to stop.
God forbid somebody care about something on the internet! Dont they know its uncool to give a shit about anything?
You mean... the same thing that is happening right now under a Dem regime?
Say it isn't so!
He'll also take your right to vote away forever... So I mean it won't matter anymore...