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‘Deluded’ Hamas made a ‘catastrophic miscalculation’, say Palestinian analysts (www.thejc.com)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Their supporters are 72% of Palestinians. That would be genocide. It’s not that simple.

Well it happend in the past with the Nazis, despite the large number of supporters for them the Allies attacked and as a german I must say it worked out pretty well for us.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

We did not kill 72% of the Germans, or even 72% of the Nazis in WW2. I do not support Hamas, but I don’t support genocide either.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats his point. No need for genocide if other options are available. Many many Germans supported the Nazis and denazification after ww2 was a thing

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure there are realistic strategies for the region that would be similar. Who is going to take over administration of Gaza when Hamas is out? Israel is. Germans didn’t hate British people. They did not spend generations teaching their children that Americans were subhuman scum. Your average German was able to snap out of the delusion easily. You and I both know that isn’t a plausible reality in Gaza.

I’m not saying there is a need for genocide. But Hamas could agree to terms tomorrow and the war would end. Then it would start again. There can be no peace in that place. Not while both peoples live there. Maybe when Iran builds nukes? MAD is pretty high price to pay but it might sober everyone up a little. Hard pill to swallow.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The allies did specifically bomb civilians in WW2 though. And Nazis weren't usually using human shields.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

No, they were using them as target practice like they did to my great grandfather. First they took him to concentration camp, then they took him and others to the forest to have some moving target practice. Thankfully he was able to run away and hide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.

The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.

HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009

Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023

Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.

Additionally, let's look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We did kill a lot of them and a lot of them were supporters. By that time it was pretty much the whole country and the they stil decided to attack them.

I'm not saying that killing a lot of Hamas fighters and supporters is the solution, you also have to change things in Gaza drastically, like let them live and rule independently because this whole tyranny over them pushed the people into the arms of those degenerates of the Hamas. But having that much supporters should also not prevent us from fighting the Hamas.