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It's really bizarre if you compare the Lemmy comments with those on Reddit worldnews. The Reddit comments are generally pro Israël, some even banaly so (in the 'they had it coming sand the deserve what they get'- territory).
In a forum there should be dissenting opinions, however those are downvoted to oblivion. It feels very weird, I'm reluctant to use the word astroturfing, but there's a huge difference in the time of the discussion compared to a couple of years ago.
Israel has an app where they post links to social media posts discussing Israel for app users to go astroturf. They take their propaganda very seriously. They have a word for propaganda targeting foreigners: "hasbara." https://mepc.org/speeches/hasbara-and-control-narrative-element-strategy
r/Worldnews just bans everyone that is pro Palestinian. And it is filled to the brim with obvious Hasbara bots.
Similar to other communities pro isreal communities such as r/Destiny. Every single one of them has banned pro-Palestinian voices.
Worldnews has always been the place where all the bad opinions and misinformed bullshit culminated. I remember threads with hundreds of first level comments all stating basically the same bullshit over and over again with no insight in sight
It is weird. The left leaning Canadian subreddit (r/onguardforthee) is generally pro Palestine but my city's subreddit is generally pro Israel. I've been watching my city's subreddit move right politically quite quickly.
Something I've noticed is that reddit as a whole seems to have gotten a lot more right wing since the whole API stuff. I'm not sure if it's actually because of users leaving, or if moderation took a huge hit and it's kind of snow balling into hateful commenting becoming normal.
I'm convinced the rightward swing is from people leaving. I imagine it's a self-reinforcing feedback loop, too. I wouldn't mind sometimes or even often being the underdog in a thread, as long as occasionally you could score a small win here or there. But when every comment is just going to get down voted to Hades, it becomes pointless.
It also just makes sense that people who are temperamentally conservative are both more likely to be politically conservative and be slower to abandon ship from a dying platform.
If you look at right wing subs yeah... Otherwise on reddit, denying the Uyghurs genocide and PRC propaganda are very casual
Reddit is a powerhouse of online discussion. It’s the perfect place for astroturfing. Not to mention, Reddit is so desperate to become profitable that they’re bragging about “we know everything about our users,” so it’s obvious they’re selling data to data brokers, they’re selling data to google for their AI and google did a cool little quid pro quo with them to boost Reddit results in google search…why not get in bed with opinion brokers?
I wouldn’t be surprised at all. In fact, I assume it.
Reddit has been atroturfed to hell for a long time: https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html
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Reddit is 100% astroturfed by Israel, Ukraine, and Russia.
There is no Palestinian/Iranian astroturfing.
Yeah it seems sometimes Lemmy got a hard one for Hamas...still don't know why somebody would favor one of these two since they both commiting genocide...
Here's a clue: 31,000 > 1,139
Edit: Oh, you're German. You know, the mistake y'all made in WWII wasn't going against Jews. It was committing a genocide. The lesson to learn wasn't: "Always support the Jews." It was: "Always oppose genocide." Not racial essentialism, but moral essentialism. Y'all just swapped out Aryan supremacy for Jewish supremacy. And now y'all are on the wrong side of a genocide once again.
(It's not the first genocide America's been on the wrong side of, either.)
pro Israël how long since you've left reddit ? Because back there in the comments the only thing I saw were :
Being pro Israel is being pro a lot of those things in this day and age.
In lemmy votes don't seem to matter that much, unless you're viewing comments with the "Top" or "Controversial" sorting. But perhaps that's a symptom of having not so many users.
In a forum there should be dissenting opinions, however those are downvoted to oblivion.
As opposed to what, Lemmy World???? This place is the same just fewer users.
please people on Lemmy are less insane than reddit. On reddit the top com would be an islamist guy upholding a KKK antisemitic conspiracies
Not really. If you've been on Reddit for more than a decade you really could see a cultural shift. Lemmy feels smaller and more filterable. If you curate your subscriptions and exclude more extreme Instances it's quite all right.
Whenever I read Reddit outside of my niche subs it just feels almost distopian, is become a very weird place.
When I left reddit, I was subbed to like 30-50 subs, I only went on r/aspiememes despite most of my subs being about geopolitics and history because wherever I went there always were dude promoting genocide while all pretending to be from different side of the political spectrum
They're not opposites, look at the rest of the comments on this post.
Meanwhile, civilians in Gaza endure a deepening humanitarian catastrophe. Law and order has broken down across the coastal enclave as Hamas’s civil control over northern Gaza and large swathes of the south has been ended.
I don't think the problem is Hamas failing to provide "law and order" but Israel's ongoing genocide that is causing the "deepening humanitarian catastrophe".
Hamas and their supporters need to be burned out of Gaza.
Their supporters are 72% of Palestinians ^[[1]https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/]. That would be genocide. It's not that simple.
Their supporters are 72% of Palestinians. That would be genocide. It’s not that simple.
Well it happend in the past with the Nazis, despite the large number of supporters for them the Allies attacked and as a german I must say it worked out pretty well for us.
We did not kill 72% of the Germans, or even 72% of the Nazis in WW2. I do not support Hamas, but I don’t support genocide either.
Thats his point. No need for genocide if other options are available. Many many Germans supported the Nazis and denazification after ww2 was a thing
I'm not sure there are realistic strategies for the region that would be similar. Who is going to take over administration of Gaza when Hamas is out? Israel is. Germans didn’t hate British people. They did not spend generations teaching their children that Americans were subhuman scum. Your average German was able to snap out of the delusion easily. You and I both know that isn’t a plausible reality in Gaza.
I’m not saying there is a need for genocide. But Hamas could agree to terms tomorrow and the war would end. Then it would start again. There can be no peace in that place. Not while both peoples live there. Maybe when Iran builds nukes? MAD is pretty high price to pay but it might sober everyone up a little. Hard pill to swallow.
The allies did specifically bomb civilians in WW2 though. And Nazis weren't usually using human shields.
No, they were using them as target practice like they did to my great grandfather. First they took him to concentration camp, then they took him and others to the forest to have some moving target practice. Thankfully he was able to run away and hide.
We did kill a lot of them and a lot of them were supporters. By that time it was pretty much the whole country and the they stil decided to attack them.
I'm not saying that killing a lot of Hamas fighters and supporters is the solution, you also have to change things in Gaza drastically, like let them live and rule independently because this whole tyranny over them pushed the people into the arms of those degenerates of the Hamas. But having that much supporters should also not prevent us from fighting the Hamas.
They are getting what they deserve then. October 7th was an atrocious terrorist attack. It was not an act of war, its victims were not legitimate targets of war. They were children, the elderly, and concert goers.
You think the ten year old who has been told his whole life that the highest purpose he can serve is to jihad against Israel deserves to be killed for it? What if he hasn't even done anything?
Maybe you think he deserves death for his "crime". I have a bit more empathy than that.
Adults giving material support is closer to what I meant. Sorry it's been a long day. But for the adult Palestinians that actively took part in Oct 7, yes absolutely. Also for those that continue to use civilians as human shields, or use hospitals, mosques and schools as weapon caches.
What's "material support"? Bread? Does giving bread to someone who hates Israel mean you deserve death?
What if the person encourages attacks on Israel? What if it's a mother feeding her Hamas son who joined Hamas because the IDF shot his brother's kneecap? Does that mother deserve death? What about the families of these other 42 palestinians?
I'm just curious how far this death by association should go.
is that analysis based on the fact that Gaza now looks like a Metro 2033 area ?
That was kinda obvious since the beginning.