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Israel's actions has been a response to hamas' for Oct 7th attack. Justified??? i am sure it was and still is,given what they (hamas) did. there is no argument on this on this specificity. were there instances where israel isn't justified?? petty sure there is. it's not a blanket statement to say israel is completely justified in everything they do.
you mentioned the continued apartheid/occupation as the source of the violence, so end the occupation and accept the 2 state solution, not that hard for hamas.
this isn't a competition to see who has committed more crimes against whose population, they are crimes and those responsible should be held accountable.
you trying to villify israel and downplaying/apologising for hamas atrocities. i am not sure why you chose to be a hamas apologist,it certainly isn't helping the palestinians in anyway.
The concept of Transfer in Zionist thought and the displacement of Palestinians since the 1920s culminated into a full fledged ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.
Plan Dalet
Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948)
Partition and later the Two-State Solution have been wielded by Israel to covet and annex as much Palestinian land as possible with the least amount of Palestinians.
Before 1948, Palestinian Leadership repeatedly advocated for a Unitary Binational State for decades.
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928
Arab Higher Committee advocating for Unified State 1937
Arab League advocating for Unified Binational State 1948
After the founding of Israel, the Two-State Solutions were utilized to further annex the Palestinian Occupied Territories and enact military control over Palestinians while denying them human and civil rights. Despite this, both Fatah and later Hamas have accepted a Two-State Solution on the 1967 borders, with the two most important factors being the Right of Return of Palestinian refugees and an end to the permanent occupation.
Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ
History of peace process
still trying to villify israel i see.
fatah seems to be doing ok after accepting the fact that israel and palestine can co-exist. hamas o. the other hand wanted 1967 borders whithout recognizing israel and wants jurusalem as its capital. 1967 borders, israel can compromise, if land swaps and national security are addressed. Jurusalem as Palestine's capital per hamas?? yes no fucking way and hamas knows that for sure.
if israel wanted more lands,they will never have left gaza nor west bank. the settlers problem has been a thorny issues amongst the radical jewish population,its hasn't gone unnoticed and we all know that needs addressing.
dude you trying so hard to villify israel isn't helping your credibility and you are beginning to sound like those hamas propagandist/apologist on overdrive.
So coexistence to you is occupation? You hand-wave away all the overwhelming evidence of Apartheid and Settler Colonialism.
Settler Violence is State Violence and has been intentional.
co-existence is accepting the facts that 1 entity has a right to exist just as any other and you do not arbitrary decide how far back in time to determine who stole whose home.
next, israeli settlers illegally settling in land that does not belong to them is a problem that needs solving,this has been made very clear,your magnification of the violence doesn't negate that fact other than pushing your bias narratives.
hamas never stopped declaring their aim to wipe israel from existence, despite their renewed charter.the fancy words they used serve nothing but to hoodwink the less sophisticated.
if your logic prevails,then prc,timor leste,previous soviet states or even america has no right to exist because they stole,occupy and settled in lands that does not belong to them and the original inhabitants should wage terror attacks on the populance because,you know,these people are stealing lands of their great grand father or however far back in time these terrorists chose.
it's sad that you have, on multiple times, try to push your bias agenda and narratives and each time you are only serving to highlight your bias.
Israel has never had intentions of coexistence, it was founded on Settler Colonialism... You're white washing ethnic cleansing.
hamas never had any intentions of co-existence only genocide and terrorism.
you are and have been justifying hamas terrorism and crimes as the aspirations of palestinians,disgusting to say the least.
You're literally wrong. Has Hamas done war crimes? Yes. You don't need to make things up to not like Hamas. I've provided so many resources to learn the history. Instead you'd rather justify settler Colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and collective punishment. When you do that, it's clear you don't see Palestinians as human beings.
i could say the same to you.
unlike you,i do not solely focus on one side's atrocities to paint the other like some kind of victim.
you are literally a hamas apologist using palestinians to push your agenda for genocide.your resources aren't exactly neutral to begin with.
I'm literally advocating for ending the genocide and equal rights.
Read the Reports on Apartheid and learn for yourself
Amnesty International Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer
and i am clearly saying there are no good guys in this conflict,no one side has the moral high ground over the other.
palestine and israel have the right to exist and to overly focus on the elimination/vilification of one over the other is not going to solve anything let alone your so called ending of genocide or equal rights.
Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism, directly responsible for the ongoing apartheid, and is currently engaging in genocide.
I'm not saying Hamas if good. The majority of Palestinians don't either. Palestinians deserve a free and fair election to choose their representatives, but that's not really possible living under a violent apartheid. Israel has prevented any peace solution. Armed militant groups like Hamas are the only ones fighting against the apartheid.
This is a war between the occupied and the occupier.
To Israel, Palestinians have never had any right to exist, or human rights, or civil rights.
I agree with New Historians on a One-State Solution. If you're genuinely interested in the history of the conflict, you should read their books. They are significantly more detailed than any article and written with a huge amount of sources from both sides of the story.
The book 'A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples' by Ilan Pappe has a detailed account of the history since the early 1920s
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
History of peace process
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
10 Myths of Israel
Palestine and Israel: Mapping an annexation
you would have made a strong case...if you weren't a hamas propagandist. i am now suspecting you are anti jewish as well.
What is wrong with you.
Anti-zionism and criticism of the state of Israel are not at all the same as antisemitism. Israel and its actions have never and will never represent all Jewish people, regardless of how much they try to claim so.
If you're conflating the two, you are being antisemitic.
so far,i have been equally critical of israel and hamas.
based off your links and articles,seems like the one villifying and conflating is you.
Please tell me how I am conflating antisemitism and anti-zionism. You're the one who claimed I'm antisemitic when I've been exclusively talking about Israel.
My main sources are B'TSelem, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Ilan Pappe, Nur Mursalha, and Avi Shlaim.