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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I think climate activists would just be better off doing what everyone else does - lobbying. Identify politicians who represent areas who would benefit from pollution controls, or green investment or whatever and push the message. Performative acts in front of cameras might feel good but it's a blunt tool to change policy. Some protestors such as "just stop oil" campaigners are so stupid that they actually help the causes they supposedly oppose.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but here's the problem

They don't own massive fossil fuel companies that make them trillions of dollars

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Have they tried owning massive fossil fuel companies that make them trillions in profit?

Might help.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Climate activists can lobby in person when available, taking time away from other things. Oil companies can hire armies of lobbyists - some of whom masquerading as "concerned citizens" - to overwhelm public hearings, buy out media companies to manipulate public opinion and engage in astroturfing campaigns, and directly sway politicians with legal bribery (deliberately being vague about the purpose of "gifts" to maintain the benefit of the doubt about there being any quid pro quo involved).

Lobbying effectively requires resources - namely capital - which oil companies have in abundance and climate activists do not. To suggest that climate activists should simply fight on their terms is ignorant at best and malicious at worst.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

What do you think they are trying to do, dumbass?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's probably true, but, at least in the US, nothing will really move forward without the populace backing it (or not knowing about it to begin with). Otherwise, those politicians will never get elected again, and whatever climate policy they created will be negated by the new politician.

So it seems like she's trying to go the route of getting the populace backing first, and then she'll have that strength to draw on when dealing with politicians. A bunch more people at that point would be also calling for change, so she wouldn't have to do much convincing. The fear of losing their political standing would be the impetus for change.

In my particularly weird corner of the world, we are still trying to convince people that climate change is real. I can't imagine how much the deniers would freak out if their elected official backed something that they think doesn't exist.