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I think we're beginning to see Mexico flex it's cultural muscles out of the latinesphere.
Not videogames, but latine culture inspired shows like Villainos, El Tigre, and my personal nostalgia bait MUCHA LUCHA!!!!!, definitely foretell Mexico entering the same space of cultural influence in the west as places like Japan with Anime and JRPGs
Is "latine" the new latinx after that got overwhelmingly rejected by actually latino people? If so that seems very presumptuous to try, again, to push something onto a foreign language the speakers do not want.
It also reads very unfortunate, I did a triple take because I kept processing it as latrine.
Its hilarious, if you called a Mexican a fucking "latine" they'd look at you like you were a pinche mamon lmao.
Native speaker here and I totally agree. Every other word is gendered. What, am I gonna call a washing machine lavadore or car carrx? This definitely feels like North Americans trying to colonize our language.
Makes me think of latrine
Well it’s actually Latiné, so not pronounced “la-teen”
You're clearly speaking french. Latiné lmao
Both of them were created by the queer community in Latin America but sure "pushing something onto a foreign language the speakers don't want"
Acting like queer recognition is just white people shit is about as racist as you're trying to make using a different word sound so how about we settle the fuck down about presumptuousness.
Typical white-american sjw behavior: using the queer community as an immunity card to say whatever you want and call transphobes to anyone who disagrees.
The queer community is a minority of latino america, they don't have the final say over the rest of the people just because, non-queer people also deserve proportional recognition you know. And even if they did, that "latine/latinx" bs was made up by a minority of the queer community in an attempt to simulate the (grammatical) gender-neutral language seen in English and inexistent in Spanish.
So yeah, keep acting like forcing (again, grammatical) gender-neutral expressions over spanish-speaking cultures is not fucking racist. I'm gonna keep using the appropriate gender when speaking/using spanish words.
‘Latinx’, un término que busca ser inclusivo entre los latinos
The conversation about latine replacing latinx is not new and not solely about the inclusion of queer communities but the fight for equality for feminist causes as well. You do whatever you want when speaking my language but as a native speaker I can tell you I want my words to have inclusivity.
It's also not a question just being asked in the hispanosphere
In France l'acedemie francais had a category five meltdown over people using, in their own personal writing, a form of titles that included both the feminine and masculine endings when referring to everyone who identified by that title
They aren't even inventing a neo-pronoun or de-gendering nouns, they're just using both endings to be inclusive and even Macron's ministers were calling it the end of frenchness.
Like guys, if the danelaw theory is correct, this was a conversation you were gonna be having pretty soon anyways with federalization on EU members' lips.
As for myself, when speaking Arabic I use the local plurals for you and they instead of the gendered pronouns unless someone specifies what they want to be referred by. Not only is it more inclusive, it's also more polite anyways since enton' and huma can work honorifically like vous in francais anyways.
Here’s some reading that might interest you, What’s in a pronoun? Why gender-fair language matters
Basically keep up the good work, you’re doing humanity proud.
You were correct, this is quite an interesting read for me! Might actually send it along to some of my friends who work full time in D&I,
As for myself, I actually don't suffix persons purely because I think folks works better
Congressfolks, postfolks, policefolks, milkfolks, doesn't just neutral the name, it also feels like it makes them less hierarchical, folk carries a more friendly connotation as a suffix IMHO, in English it's normally used to refer to your parents or grandparents, compared to person or people which feels more sterile and official sounding in comparison.
Æ ðen ðeıŗ ïz muı pŗſënël bıf w ıŋglïc ſpelıŋ, wïtc Aı fıl ïz löŋ ovŗdu foŗ ë ſırıëſ ovŗhaul.
Sorry to see you are getting a bunch of hate but linguistic relativity is happening in real time as people angrily reply to you or people try to shout louder that they don’t want their language to change for the sake of inclusivity. Literally watching people live in denial and choosing to ignore that reality is changing around them is morbidly fascinating. This is a phenomena that transcends language, every fiber of humanity is diametrically opposed within itself. Some people want radical change and the possibility of prosperity for the majority and the other people want things to remain the same and within their control.
Like watching the bow burst on a sinking ship and losing yourself in the majesty and patterns within the utter destruction and chaos.
I think it's just anti-woke losers having a panic attack
They cling to the accusation of hypocrisy about cultural relativism so people who actually hold diverse cultures to the same D&I standards scare the shit out of them
They have nothing but made up arguments and things that endanger those arguments makadem real hekkin' amgy
You talk a lot, but we're having a discussion in english about how the whole hispanic community should follow USA's woke values because some french people say so while glorificating "Linguistic relativity", aka. "screw languages i don't understand". And I'm a loser for defending my language.
Come back when you know what you're talking about.
Hello again moghafil, once again here on planet earth, literally nobody said you had to use the fucking letter, just commented on what you flipping a fucking table over other people choosing to use it for their own personal use of the language like a belligerent drunk accusing "you think ya better than me gringo‽" says more about you than about some global conspiracy of neocolonialism perpetuated by someone using a goddamned e.
You're not defending anything except your own ego, you are as a master of fortifications once said "an idiot alone on a wall", and yes, it makes you one of the most pathetic losers I've had the misfortune of having to stop and explain something very slowly to, not because I'm some kind of queer fascist conspiring to destroy the latin world one e at a time, but because you and like 5 other people are so explosively transphobic and enbiephobic that some not you person who you've never spoken to before using a single letter once because they want to in their own personal use of a language be more inclusive of others is grounds to dogpile on them about neocolonialism this and "muh language!" that and language settler shit this and destroying an entire culture that.
Either I am an expert gaslighter who has turned a single letter into a digital matador's cape for you to break your skull open against a wooden poll to be embarking on this campaign you accuse me of, or you're drunk and having an ego trip and this is what you're doing so that your niece doesn't kick you off the couch and make you uber home for the third time this week for being an obnoxious drunk "that relative" that ends up being NCd at the end of the story on RelationshipAdvice for harassing your kid for not forgiving you for punching their infant in the face or some crazy shit of that sort.
We are to all just bow before how you apparently know best because something something "my language" something something "stop acting like you're better than me" something something "that's not how linguistic gender works but also shut up about how that's totally how grammatical gender tends to end up working because I as a native speaker of a language deem this to be "white people shit" and also shut up about how all these reforms also come from other native speakers that also mostly just use it in their own personal writing and speaking and nobody is actually forcing anything but I want to defend sexism, transphobia, and enbiephobia without getting called out for it and you using a single letter in your personal writing and speaking feels like a threat to that so I'm gonna whip out the tired tucker carlson line about "shoving it down our throats" like a trench coat wearer about to get themselves added to a national registry."
Believe it or not, your mother moaning out in spanish instead of english when they made the mistake of not just swallowing you instead does not bestow upon you some divine right to declare what other people are and aren't allowed to do while communicating in spanish in their own personal writing and speaking.
Now go home, you may be sober, but you're as much an embarrassment as an ass up face in the pavement and vomit drunk.
Eso es mucho texto para alguien que no sabe distiguir entre un sustantivo y un adjetivo.
Edit: Sorry, forgot to translate to freedom: "TL;DR"
Damn talk 'bout being butthurt 👀
I'm Spanish and still fail to see how adopting USA's culture is inclusive to anyone. I mean you do you, I just get annoyed when someone talks about this without even knowing the language they want to change.
Edit: Forgot to add the fact "Latino" is an abbreviature of "Latinoamericano/Latinoamericana". Now could you explain please what a Latinxamericano/a is and if it tastes good?
Nobody's forcing shit, you're just too machismo to accept when someone tries to be nice in your language too
Singular they and neo-pronoun panic doesn't suddenly become woke because you're doing it in Spanish Moghafil.
Now you're calling me sexist just because? Btw, I'm finding hilarious the fact you assumed "machismo" is the masculine of "machista", a freaking neutral word. The irony here is gold.
I never said being inclusive is bad, just that there are more appropriate ways to do it without changing every other language into english, ways i use in my day to day btw. Adding random "neutral" e's and x's sounds just moronic to most native speakers who actually know that gramatical gender doesn't have literally anything to do with people's gender.
Spanish doesn't have "singular they", nor "they", and we mostly don't need it. Neo-pronouns sound unnatural. And arguing (in English ffs) with actual native speakers about how bad we speak Spanish is literally the definition of forcing your language and morals on others.
I think Latin@ would be a better fit since it has both a and o in it. Who do a write to make this proposal official? Where is Latin@america central command?
How you gonna pronounce that? Latinat?
Latinao?
That just sounds like Jose stubbed his toe on something.
(a + o)/2 = ė
Latino*
FTFY. Please don't massacre our language.
Estas son las nuevas palabras incorporadas al diccionario por la RAE
If you think latine is an affront to Spanish check out these words accepted into the Spanish dictionary just this year.
You’re not fixing anything you’re just keeping things shitty.
I don’t feign to have the power, only illuminating how weak the arguments against this change are.
Irony so thick you’d need two hands to slice through.
Your entire language is already changing, big data, balconing, cookie, and crack are all accepted words into the official Spanish language. Latine though, that’s one step too far huh?
What makes you think it isn't? It's not English speakers that care about Spanish conjugation.
You don't even know who's talking to you, and it wasn't an idea created by English speakers.
It IS for the fucking RAE to decide though, they're the Royal Acadamy of Spanish.
Sos tan boludo que nisiquiera puedes entender que hasta el RAE te odio, tenes problemas. Puedes leer ,o escribiste tu mensaje por voz a texto?
I'm gonna talk in the way you want all Spanish speakers to do and hopefully you'll see how stupid an idea it is to get rid of gendered words.
El (Elae?) RAE ne hablx per todes nosotres. Nuestrx manere de hablar ne es dictadx per un solx pinche institución real. Cambiande un idiomx tiene que venir por le voluntad colective de tode le gente que lo hablx.
It ain't just your language, and if a single letter change is "massacring" your language, you're part of the exact reason why queer latine folks innovated the e and also that x y'all had a supernova tier meltdown over.
Inclusivity ain't just gringo shit Moghafil.
Unabashedly be a destructive culture vulture speedrun any%
If your culture cannot survive intermixing with new ideas, it deserves to face the vultures.
I think much the same of how fiercely the French and Quebecoise flip their shit trying to "defend the language from Muslim and Anglo muddying"
Nobody deserves the indignity of being linguistically unpersoned just because recognizing them is apparently white people shit to your parent culture.
Colonialism isn't when being a marginalized culture isn't an excuse to also be bigots because someone in their own personal use of a language decides to be inclusive.
Yikes. Well, at least I know no one will ever take your viewpoint seriously with all the holes and assumptions in it.
way to mark yourself as a conservative jackass. Do you like licking yankee boots?
Who the fuck are you, pendejo?