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This is why we still need Social Security instead of just self directed retirement savings. Roth IRA savings are NOT where you source funds for buying meme stocks. With their mindset this person is going to end up penniless going into retirement, but luckily they'll have some money from Social Security. They will only have that Social Security money because there was no way for them to touch it.
Unless trump gets elected and actually does torch social security. It would cause untold suffering, but also a fair amount of schadenfreude.
I mean, Roth is just a post tax savings account. It's not really meant for relying upon in retirement. It's usually used to save for things like cars or a down payment for a house. Dumping it into stocks seems like a bad idea imo but you can withdraw at any time without penalty so you can spend it on whatever you want.
The nice thing about Roth is that the interest earned can be withdrawn at retirement age but it's usually very little compared to a traditional IRA or 401k.
You're trolling me right? Your post is sarcasm?
Of course its a retirement account. The word "retirement" is in the name of the account: Roth IRA (Individual Retirement Account).
You can withdraw contributions to a Roth IRA, yes, and a house down payment isn't a bad use for it, but that's it really. A house is an appreciating asset. It will likely go up in value over time. You shouldn't be buying cars or anything else with your Roth IRA funds. A car is a depreciating asset. It will only go down in value over time.
You can and should invest the funds inside your Roth IRA in stable securities. Boring stuff like "Total Market funds" that has a regular appreciable return. This isn't where you invest in Gamestop, AMC, or any other volatile stocks.
My post said that it shouldn't be relied upon in retirement, not that it isn't a retirement account. If you're lucky enough to be able to have both a savings account and a Roth, then sure, it doesn't make sense to use it for a car. But if you need to choose between those two due to low income, it's absolutely valid to use your Roth as a standard savings account and withdraw for large purchases and emergencies when financing isn't an option. This is also helpful for people who tend to dip into their savings frivolously and often recommended to low earners as a way to control their finances.
But yeah, if you're in a conformable place financially then you should absolutely max out your Roth and not touch it. That simply isn't a reality for most people.
Bullshit. You wrote that:
While yes, there's an exception that allows you to use it for a house down payment (one time only, as a first-time buyer), it sure as Hell isn't meant to be used for "things like cars!"
Roth IRAs are designed specifically for people with less money. When you get to a certain income level, you can no longer take advantage of them (well, there are some tricks).
The general rule of thumb is that you;
I'm disagreeing with what I am understanding your position is, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You're stating that you shouldn't rely on a Roth IRA in retirement.
What, in your opinion, is an account that should be "relied upon in retirement"?