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While rebutting another post here on Lemmy, I ran into this. This says exactly what I want to say.

I am not a friend of Biden's Administration. I think they drug their feet over a variety of things ranging from holding Trump and his goons accountable for January 6th through rulemaking on issues like OTC Birth Control and abortion rights, and yes, I think he's too quick to please big business. But then I remember what the alternative is, and ... well, disappointed in Biden or not, I'm voting for him. Because my wife is a Black bisexual goth woman, four strikes under Team Pepe's tent. And I have my own strikes for marrying her as a White dude, and respecting her right to not have kids since she doesn't want them is another strike against me. And I care about my Non-Christian, Gay, Transgender, and Minority friends, and will never willingly subject them to Team Pepe.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can't limbo with the bar that low please raise it at least past the "not supporting genocide" line

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK. Biden doesn't support genocide. No, really, he doesn't. He supports Israel's right to exist, for sure, and he sure wants to ensure that the 2000+ people murdered and 200+ people kidnapped last October get justice, but he doesn't support genocide. Enjoy your limbo.

It's Russian/Republican Propaganda that he does support genocide because he continues funding Israel, pushed by dishonest assholes who benefit from us being divided and uninformed knee-jerk-reactionary useful idiots that push that propaganda. Biden has said repeatedly that Israel's continued indiscriminate attacks on Gaza make it harder for him to justify continued aid. But can he stop the aid? Let's think about this RATIONALLY for a moment.

Suppose the US just says "Well, fuck you, Israel, you're on your own." What happens next? Here's some ideas:

  • Israel screams betrayal at the United States, saying that we are enabling a genocide that the Arabs have tried to push on Israel since its very founding in 1947, then again in 1967, and again in 1973.
  • Iran launches a bigger attack at Israel, and starts another war similar to the Israeli War of Independence, Six-Days War, and Yom Kippur War, giving some truth to the accusations.
  • Russia pushes the meme that Antisemitic Lefties in the US pushed Biden to abandon Israel. It's a lie, but Russia is GOOD at making lies stick.
  • American Jews, pretty faithful Democrats now, buy the notion that the Left abandoned them and become Conservative. Don't say it can't happen. It's happening in Israel right now.
  • Israel, abandoned by the US, approaches Russia, who they have good relations with. Russia asks for a few of Israel's 36 F-35s, and Israel as a final Fuck You to America hands the planes over. Russia gets access to our stealth fighter technology, manages to weaken America's standing in the world, and finds a new source of money for their oil reserves to fund their war on Ukraine more, all at the same time.
  • Particularly scary, Israel, beset on all sides and feeling abandoned, decides to nuke Iran. Pakistan, who is known to be nuclear armed, and Iran, who might have a few test bombs of their own, retaliate, prompting a nuclear firestorm and long-lasting aftermath that makes the Middle East a hellhole to live in, and possibly affects the entire global climate.
  • That nuclear exchange might prompt a global nuclear war with how much of a hair-trigger the world is on right now. Remember, kids, Global Thermonuclear War is a strange game, and the winning move is not to play!

I'm not saying all of these are going to happen, or even most of them, but it would SURE serve Putin's interests if there's a falling out between the actual authoritarian Netanyahu and the leader of the left-most party in the USA, driving Netanuyahu into fellow-authoritarian Putin's arms! It'd also be quite a feather in Trump's cap if Biden abandons Israel, loses enough of the US Jewish vote (in addition to the rabble-raisers here in the US who swear they won't vote for Biden even if he does stop funding Israel because once a Genocider always a Genocider...) that he loses the election to Trump, and then Trump gets to restart the funding and say "See, Democrats are the real antisemites! Pay no attention to the picture of a cartoon frog dressed up as me gassing prevalent US Jews and Liberals from 8 years ago, that's a lie..."

So. Once again. Limbo away. Just be fucking truthful about it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nice fanfic. All that writing just to excuse genocide.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you can't win on the facts, just throw out an ad hominem and run away. ;) Thanks for conceding my point, though!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Local resident declares themself winner of internet argument. Starving children destroyed with facts and logic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm honestly impressed with the mental gymnastics on display in lefty spaces on this subject, especially here. People go on and on about Israel committing genocide while from 1948-present Gaza's population went from 250k to 2M people, 3x the world average. They're doing a shit job at a genocide.

But what would Hamas do if the power dynamic were reversed. Luckily, they told us:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Whatdyaknow?? Literally kill all the Jews.