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The “Texas Miracle” loses some of its magic as Oracle announces it’s moving its new HQ out of Austin and Tesla lays off nearly 2,700 workers.

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[–] [email protected] 176 points 11 months ago (4 children)

some of the Californians who moved here during the pandemic realized they had traded Edenic weather for 110-degree summers and no income tax, and they decided that the income tax wasn’t that bad

People discovering what the state provide isn't free.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Also, just because Texas doesn’t have income tax doesn’t mean you don’t pay taxes. Your taxes come from other places, like property tax, and they don’t provide you with a great living experience like they do in California.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago

The article even addresses this. Texas Monthly in general is a good gauge of the "44%" of Texas that isn't crazy, or at least is crazy in the silly fun way.

Meanwhile, Texas is not a low-tax, low-service state, as is commonly held. It’s a high-tax, low-service state: we may have no income tax, but at least one study found that we have one of the ten highest total tax burdens in the nation, with property taxes making up most of the gap. The quality of state services, however, has not improved commensurate with the growth of state budgets.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Toll the shit out of anyone trying to go highway speeds

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Isn't Texas built on the same letters as taxes? They need money to run the state or print it (what is a bad idea anywhere).

Texas promotes itself with the no income taxes, but what the state provide afterward is another story. People believe in the argument and discover the reality. Your neighbor backyard isn't greener. If you cut a tax, you either take the money somewhere else or cut your expense. People discover that paying taxes provides some benefits...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Libertarians discovering reality is such a great genre.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also, property tax is really high in Texas and unlike California, you aren’t shielded from spikes in property value greatly increasing your property tax burden.

I believe it’s to a degree that the average tax burden is actually higher in Texas than California.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Also, isn't California a bit too warm itself?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

a bit is a touch different than opening your front door at midnight and walking into satan's armpit

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

That's a vivid comparison, thanks

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

If it does reach 110, that’s only for a day or two a year. Most summer days it’s below 100. And I live in San Diego county. In Northern California in the SF Bay Area, I don’t think it ever got to 110 in the nine years I lived there. There was basically one hot month a year, where it would get to the low 90s for a couple weeks.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Texas also sits next to a very warm body of water. Swimming in it is like bathing in a pool of hot sweat. The humidity is off the charts. I could get a general read on the comfort level by which direction the planes were landing and taking off. They always head into the wind. One direction meant high temps plus high humidity, and the other meant less off both due to a cool front blowing in from up north.

California has the opposite. Sure most of it is a desert, but the cool Pacific Ocean cools the air and contributes a lot less humidity.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Houston is beyond trans-Floridian levels of humidity, that's true. DFW can be humid to people from dryer places, but it's very much not Floridian and generally dry enough that, for instance, sweating works how it's supposed to. El Paso is literally in a desert.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As someone from the northern Mississippi basin y’all are crazy to live there. I’ll stick to my wet cool climates. I can handle the frigid weeks and the snow isn’t that bad

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

LOL, the weather is really not so bad, and after living in a Montreal winter for several weeks, no thank you.

Politically, the biggest of the assholes want the rest of us to leave, which makes me want to stay more. These motherfuckers will not steal Willie Nelson and Townes Van Zandt and Molly Ivins and Anne Richards and Chopped & Screwed and Tejano and Tex-Mex and delicious motherfucking brisket from us.

I still believe there is a better Texas, though I concede there will never be a perfect Texas.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I feel that as an Ohioan. I’m here half out of spite and half out of inability to find a job in the northeast or Chicago.

It’s a hellhole here, but it’s my hellhole and we were supposed to be a purple state that matters none of this fashy bullshit. Fuckin hell these confederate flag waving motherfuckers better get the hell out of the home of John Brown and Ulysses Grant

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Inland Imperial who fucks around in the high desert a lot, even with the heat a bit of shade can drop the effective temp down quite a bit. Its the sun that is dangerous really, or maybe im just that much of a pale assed motherfucker IDK.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

No CA really is comfortable outside of some low deserts and high mountainous areas. Stuff stays pretty much in the middle year round.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Anywhere not on the coast or high in mountains, yes. I'm in a large valley, and summers can be pretty rough. Not Phoenix rough, but still rough.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The dry heat in socal is really not that bad, especially in the shade. What's far worse is the stifling humidity in the east, south, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

California is a big place.