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Voting does sort of make you complicit, honestly.
But guess what? Not voting also makes you complicit. So does voting in a way that has no chance of having an effect based on the current rules.
Basically, existing as an eligible voter, at least in a country where voting isn't rigged (so like, Russians are off the hook here, for example) makes you complicit in your government's actions.
That's kind of a big point of being in a democratic society - we are all, every one of us, responsible for the actions of our government.
And if you don't like that responsibility, I get it, I totally sympathize, because I agree. I hate that responsibility, especially cause I know damn well I'm not qualified to make those decisions. But I still am responsible, and pretending I'm not doesn't change that.
eh, im with you but i dont really like the overapplication of the word complicit.
i much prefer the model that we are a bunch of individuals doing our best to organize against systematic murder. but yes thank you for your corroborating comment :)
So we're all off the hook, then?
You don't live in a democratic society.
Everywhere on the internet is America
Tell me where you live and I'll show you how anti-democratic the society you live in really is.
Up for this challenge?
I'm curious. Please (Unironically) tell me about the anti-democratic nature of germany.
Gee... what a challenge! I'm going to be completely stumped by this one, eh?
But just before I do the little surrender dance, we have to... you know - dot the i's and get the paperwork right, okay?
You did get to vote on who it is that manages you at your job, right?
What a terrible way of avoiding the question.
Oh, not at all.
We are absolutely getting to the heart of the matter... and no amount of liberal pearl-clutching is going to change that.
I take it the answer is a definite no?
I get what sea lioning is but I don't see the relevance to this convo. Unless you're calling yourself a sealion? But I'm on your side, I don't think trying to keep the conversation about Germany's government counts.
But this was not what the Original Comment was about...? This is not about society as a whole, but rather, well, the nation we live in being ruled in a certain way. A government for the people, by the people, seems pretty democratic to me.
And Yes, I know there's problems. I know one's job often isn't managed in a democratic fashion (although that does exist, mind you). I know there's corruption and misinformation and whatever else, but at the end of the day, my vote counts. And so does everyone else's.
This is about as simple as it gets - you either live in a democratic society or you don't.
If it's a case of the former it doesn't matter how hard and for how long political racketeers and their media cronies have shoved a buzzword down your throat, does it now?
What if I vote for someone you don't like, though? Say, by endorsing a third party or spoiling the ballot with a write in?
Police officer bludgeoning student protestor with a truncheon
"WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS, CITIZEN!"
This is straight horseshit. The only reason I could be possibly be considered complicit is that I haven't shot those fuckers, and well, that's frowned upon.