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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So... what are people supposed to do instead?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Where I live you call an ambulance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That's actually really cool. At least in the US, there's few places that have public ambulance services, which you need because there are no private crisis response units in the country. There's not even a framework to certify them. So what winds up happening is that you call an ambulance, the paramedics arrive and are neither trained nor equipped to handle a serious mental health crisis, they call the police and then we're back to square one.

But I'm glad you live somewhere that both has crisis response units and funds them enough that they are actually capable of doing anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The $15,000 weewooo taxi? No thanks, I'll walk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I figured it's not really an option in the US. Here it doesn't cost anything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you specifically call for an ambulance and not cops? How do you stop the 911 dispatcher from sending cops?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There's a different number. 110 gets the police, 112 emergency services (so either fire department, ambulance, or an emergency doctor).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People should give MORE Tax Dollars to the Police so they can continue Killing us INSTEAD of using that money to fund Mental Health Crisis Teams!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's certainly... one perspective? Not sure what you're on about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I perceived the comment you're responding to as blatant sarcasm.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something that won't end with your loved ones being shot to death.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What am I, the answer man?

Our society is broken. It doesn't give a lot of great alternatives. I'm trying to do what I can about that. But I can't change the fact that you really shouldn't call the police on somebody unless you're prepared for them to be killed, because that's what the police do. That much should be clear by now.

If you want your loved ones in crisis to be murdered, by all means, call the cops on them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What am I, the answer man?

No you're Just Asking Questions, right? Why should you have to provide a justification to where you get off victim blaming on these issues?

Ignoring that Win called the cops on himself (isn't it depressing how reliable a method of suicide that's become...) because that's a whole different issue, what you're telling people to do is that they should just... cope? Maybe there's a homeopathic cure for mania! I sure haven't found one, but if someone's got a clue ~~they can stick it up their ass, fuck homeopaths~~ please let me know, because I'd love a cure for my manic episodes.

I've had the cops called on me, and I can't blame my family for doing it. They weren't, and aren't, equipped to deal with that. I hope you're never in the position to find out exactly how scary it can be when someone you love is having a "severe mental health crisis" (in most cases, that's a cringy euphemism for "being a terrifyingly unhinged, violent lunatic"). I also work in forensic mental health management (that's what "trying to do what I can" actually looks like, btw) so I can professionally say that calling the cops on family is never: someone's first choice, an easy choice, a choice that in a similar situation you wouldn't also make.

You're not equipped to deal with this kind of disaster, nobody is. That's a big part of why it falls on the police, because at least they've got the tools to maybe stop it without killing someone. It's like the godzilla threshold - the situation is so bad that maybe calling in godzilla as backup will do slightly more good than harm. It's going to be a disaster either way, but maybe it will be a smaller one. This isn't the way it should be, and my god do I hope the few attempts to fix this we're only now able to implement might prove to start working, but it is the way it is right now.

I know this isn't going to change your mind, I've talked to enough people like you to know that you're not going to be predisposed to introspection, but I just sincerely hope you never get put in a situation that makes you realize what an ignorant tool you sound like when you talk about this issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Who the fuck is victim blaming? Who the fuck is Just Asking Questions? I'm just saying, calling the cops on somebody at this point is like pointing a loaded gun at them. Absolutely do not do it to anybody you are not prepared to kill.

Yes, the situation is insane. Yes, it should not be that way. But that is the way it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to keep missing the fact that they called the cops on themselves.

I agree that calling the cops during a mental health crisis could end very badly, but this person apparently wanted it to end very badly.

You can't really stop someone from calling the cops to report themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That is true. I was more replying to some_guy's post and the conversation that came off of that.