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Oh, they passed the Affordable Care Act?
Healthcare is SO available and affordable now, huh?
Then you come in and say "but it wasn't even a real supermajority!"... that supermajority. Not even realizing you are saying even with a supermajority, there isn't one, because it's all the same muddle.
It must be exhausting for you to still shill that hard.
Register independent. Vote third party. It's our only hope to end Party Fascism.
FTFY
You're naive af if you think voting 3rd party in the presidential elections will do anything more than entrench fascism into this country and likely solve your issue with party voting, just not how you want.
At this point they seem to be willfully ignorant or just having malicious intent.
Yeah, anyone dumb enough to suggest voting 3rd party in the presidential elections should be mocked because their political opinions aren't even worth wiping my ass with. And that's the charitable interpretation of it.
I fully endorse going 3rd party at the local level and building up support for alternative candidates, but going straight for the president is a negative IQ move.
You left out "Tankie" and "Russian Bot".
Try harder next time, Fascist Dem Shill.
Wasn't trying to keyword you, you fucking fascist technique promoter.
But please, keep sabotaging democracy because you can't understand electoral politics.
Post the stats on successful third party presidential campaigns, buddy. The closest was former VP Breckinridge. I guess running a campaign in 1860 that promised to continue slavery ensured the wealthy class in the south would push his campaign.
You have been deceived by others who want more fascism but pretend otherwise. Or you yourself are one of those.
Bro do you remember what it was like before the ACA? I’m not saying it’s good now but I think you are showing a pretty stark lack of awareness for what it used to be like.
Yes.
I could afford food and shelter.
And when I had employment based health insurance, I could afford the co-pay.
None of the 3 are true today.
So you don’t have employment based heath care today? What happened?
I do.
And it is neither affordable or available.
The healthcare I need.
Do you... not know how this is a pretty massive thing these days?
Your comment implied that you had lost your insurance because you no longer had a job.
If you can’t afford healthcare, be mad at the for profit companies making massive profits off of health care and companies who’ve stagnated wages since Regan.
But don’t be pissy at a president who advances healthcare in this country. The ACA did a LOT of good for MANY people.
No, my comment communicated that while I still have insurance, I cant get the medications I used to get, the copays have risen to what treatment used to cost, and the cost of treatment has become a guaranteed bankruptcy without said insurance.
ACA did not substantively change the healthcare system. It just loaded a fine onto not paying for healthcare if you are not employed, and forcing every unemployed American to pay for personal health insurance emboldened the healthcare system to start charging 100 dollars for "solid hydration therapy" aka: a cup of ice, to get all that extra money out of the insurance companies.
It was an epic failure. An epic failure comitted while not addressing minimum wage, row v wade, or a myriad of other things BOTH PARTIES have done to us, while we are meant to believe its just the Republicans doing it.
There’s no point in discussing this further as you’ve already made up your mind.
Those with pre-existing contions that used to be FUCKED are very grateful for the ACA.
Don’t hate the players; hate the game. Be the change you want to see and get the profit out of healthcare.
Have a good day and I hope things go better for you.
You're right.
I dont buy your horse shit.
Those who existed before ACA remember what effort it took to give Dems that stage, and also remember what a waste of effort that was.
It made American Healthcare worse. And none of the other things that "its Republicans fault" advanced.
The 2 party system is broken. 15 years later, it's even more broken.
Your Dem vote doesn't help fix that. Rep votes don't help fix that.
Stop being part of the problem.
Please.
Register independent. Vote third party.
I said good day sir!
You could afford shelter…during the 2008 housing driven financial crisis? Everyone could afford shelter…until the system collapsed. That was kind of the whole problem. I fail to see how the ACA being passed caused your housing and food prices to go up.
Glad that you had employment based insurance. Before the ACA if you didn’t have insurance through your employer and you had conditions you were just fucked. They could deny your coverage. I guess you forgot about that?
Insurance is fucked because we’re finally paying the cost of care, rates and prices are fucked and broken across the board, and the insurance companies are savage vultures. None of that is BECAUSE of the ACA. It was all true before the ACA and is true now. The difference is millions more people have healthcare coverage.
So the ACA was a half measured failure of a waste of time.
Yes.
That was part of the point I was making.
Dems decided to do that instead of passing actual universal Healthcare, or minimum wage, or modifying Roe v Wade. Or addressing the rising cost of rent/mortgage. Or do ANYTHING of value.
That is the point I am making.
Yeah I guess the GOP is blameless for all that right? Seriously the amount of leeway you people give the republicans is wild. The democrats are to blame for those things? The GOP voted unanimously against the ACA in all its forms and tried for a decade to repeal it. But sure the democrats not going far enough was the grievous sin.
You are wonderful at goalposts moving and refusing to stay on track. Just all the other Fascist Dem Shills.
This is a conversation about Democrats failure to increase minimum wage during their supermajority, but instead they spent all the time fining broke unemployed Americans for not being able to afford health insurance out of pocket.
Both parties have created this situation.
That is what I am saying.
"Vote blue no matter who, no matter what genocide, and everything will magically get better" is horse shit, and recent history shows that.
I'd say implementing STV at the state level across multiple states has a waaaaaay more realistic chance at ending the duopoly tbh.
Bro I'd have no insurance because I've had Covid ever right now if it wasn't for the ACA.
Y'all need to take stock of what you're taking for granted, because the fact that the fascists are taking stock for you right now should be all the fucking warning you need of what they're going for next time we decide teaching the dems a lesson is more important than preventing an acceleration to fascism.
Ummm... sounds like a good reason to swallow some good ol genocide and look the other way.
Tragic story, really.
As opposed to letting the genocide come here too? Sure, without a second thought.
Unlike you I'm not inclined to hand my trans neighbors to the freedom defenders because not doing that involves the herculean feat of standing in line and checking some boxes.
Yall really just opened with "let the dems genocide the Palestinians because I'm afeared Trump will genocide me"... and you don't think that won't catch up with you...
I sympathize with your condition but challenge your conviction.
No genocide. Anywhere.
If you condone one, you condone them all.
Mother fucker I am Palestinian. Don't you dare start using my people's corpses as set dressing for your cynical play at getting to keep calling yourself an ally without even doing the barest minimum of the work.
People who follow your "convictions" are what will see Palestine wiped from history when our people are hunted down even abroad because of who you let in.
You self righteous twats will burn us all as fuel for your endless crusade against a group of people who are never going to be hurt by the consequences of your actions.
People like this don't have convictions. You can tell because they never advocate for actual improvements, its all just head-caved-in bullshit like this. "I wont support a genocide, so instead I'll support MORE GENOCIDE because electoral politics requires actually thinking about things farther away than my belly button"
I’ve argued with that kid before. There’s no reasoning with them, but at least you called their ass out.
Well said man.
"I don't like genocide, that's why I am working as hard as I can to figure out what Donald meant by 'Israel should finish the job.' Something good, right? It isn't like he has done Muslim bans in the past or anything."