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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

While historically, and contemporaneously, communist countries have been harsh on homosexuality, surely next time the gays will be safe!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Show me where it says that anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment or indeed any intolerance is inherent in communism rather than just the backwards thinking of bad leaders. Correlation does not equal causation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s not inherent, but it’s ubiquitous nonetheless. Consolidating power necessitates an “other” and lgbtq+ tends to be part of that other due to the disproportionately reduced population impact. It’s just harder for them to have kids. Unless the one consolidating is simultaneously a literal and metaphorical maniac like Pol Pot, in which case absolutely everyone is an other. It’s unrelated to communism in the same way that trans rights are unrelated to republicans; it’s just a convenient subsect to oppress for a politically savvy despot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Only demagogues need an other to consolidate power, and even if that wasn't the case, every left wing ideology already has the mother of all "others" in the billionaires that literally seperate themselves from the society they (mostly, but not always) indirectly dictate the rules of.

The modern far left is in favor of radical equality, considers (especially social) progress much more important than tradition, considers diversity a strength and doesn't consider procreation a holy duty.

All of that is incompatible with anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination and also the opposite of Republicans who ARE inherently anti-trans BECAUSE of their fascist ideology.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If nearly every communist leader has been anti LGBT maybe they were all just bad leaders which makes it seems largely inherent to its ideology.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Considering every "communist" nation is actually authoritarian I don't think communism is inherently homophobic. Also every one of those leaders are bad, they run authoritarian countries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nearly every capitalist leader has been anti-LGBT. This is silly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Again, correlation doesn't equal causation. If every fascist leader had been left-handed, that wouldn't make left-handedness inherent to fascism.

Communism is about radical equality. That many leaders have been anti-LGBTQ+ hypocrites doesn't make it part of the ideology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

After the Bolshevik revolution in 1917, homosexuality (as well as abortion) was decriminalized.

It was only after Stalin's counter-revolution that gay sex (and abortion) were made illegal. People spoke out against it, including queers and feminists in the Comintern. Again, wtf are queer (or feminist) tankies thinking?