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Florida and Alabama have banned lab meat, but some in the livestock industry fear the precedent of states deciding what goes on store shelves, and what can’t.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I doubt it'll ever taste as good as the real thing, but I can certainly see it eventually being cheaper if we ever cut out the massive subsidies.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well im no scientist so maybe someone smarter can comment. However if it becomes possible to design every aspect of the meat artificially then it seems to me that it's pretty much guaranteed that it will taste better. You could produce the perfect fat to meat ratio in every steak without the anitbiotics and animal stress that affect farmed animals

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think there will be a huge market for endangered animal meat. Imagine having dodo wings and a mammoth steak for dinner.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're already on it.... https://theconversation.com/a-mammoth-meatball-hints-at-a-future-of-exotic-lab-grown-meats-but-the-reality-will-be-far-more-boring-and-rife-with-problems-203243 and https://www.primevalfoods.co/ are along the same lines.... Tiger tacos? I guess a gimmick that leads to less dead animals is a net positive, it's just such a weird world.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if you could get a sample of your own ass and grow it into a steak

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That would give new meaning to the phrase "eat my ass."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Mail it to your ex

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

There's more to flavor and texture than just the ratio of fat to lean, not to mention the color. Consider farmed vs. wild-caught fish (especially salmon), pastured vs. caged chicken, grass vs. corn-fed beef, etc.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

That was an example for things that can be engineered..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's a false equivalency to use the comparison of farmed vs wild with any comparison to lab-grown protein. All your examples involve a living creature that's being restricted in movement, nutrition or some other life experience. Lab grown skips all of that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's exactly my point, it's a step even further in that direction, and will naturally result in a very different product.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but given the scope to alter, why not better different?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

True, I guess what i was imagining was an ideal scenario where all those aspects can also be replicated. Of course, maybe thats not how the technology works i really dont know

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

It's just still got a long way to go.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean impossible meat already does taste as good as the real thing. Beyond meat sucks though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

While I personally disagree, your opinion is valid; however, ground beef substitute is probably the lowest possible bar, and there are many other types and cuts yet to be replicated.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think the important question everyone should ask themselves is how close does it need to be to outweigh the damage to the environment and the harm done to animals?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

That's a great question. A cultural shift away from meat consumption would be the most effective means.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That’s a good point. Fish populations are gonna be gone if we don’t do something.