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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Shadowbans should just be illegal as a thing

I bet you scream about your first amendment rights being violated whenever a moderator deletes your posts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

A problem is that social media websites are simultaneously open platforms with Section 230 protections, and also publishers who have free speech rights. Those are contradictory, so which is it?

Perhaps @rottingleaf was speaking morally rather than legally. For example, I might say "I believe everyone in America should have access to healthcare"; if you respond "no, there is no right to healthcare" you would be right, but you missed my point. I was expressing an moral aspiration.

I think shadowbans are a bad mix of censorship and hard to detect. Morally, I believe they should be illegal. If a company wants to ban someone, they can be up front about it with a regular ban; make it clear what they are doing. To implement this legally, we could alter Section 230 protections so that they don't apply to companies performing shadowbans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are in no way publishers...ugh you people who don't know shit about the law are insufferable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Feel free to educate us instead of just saying the equivalent of "you're wrong and I hate reading comments like yours".

But I think, in general, the alteration to Section 230 that they are proposing makes sense as a way to keep these companies in check for practices like shadowbanning especially if those tools are abused for political purposes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I bet you think this reply was sharp-minded and on spot and something else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How much would you like to bet? I accept PayPal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, if this is not a figure of speech, then how much was your bet? I accept BTC (being in a sanctioned country and all that).

Mine was, of course, this is not worth a penny to me, I already know your measure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you would bet nothing, I guess you don't actually believe your own words.

Thanks for admitting what you said was false. I think we can move on now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you would bet nothing, I guess you don’t actually believe your own words.

There are a few factors, one of them is your value as a person.

Thanks for admitting what you said was false.

Why would you say that if that's false?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is my value as a person?

And your question makes absolutely no sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Negligible, like the effort to type this sentence.

I'll repeat - why would you say that I "admitted" something when I didn't?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://www.lsd.law/define/tacit-admission

And your considering people to be of lesser value than yourself is noted. I'm sure you'll be a help when the genocide comes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And your considering people to be of lesser value than yourself is noted.

And that's fully my right and that's normal. Nobody owes you anything.

I’m sure you’ll be a help when the genocide comes.

You've just devalued this word a little bit only to support your own arrogance. This shows that I'm correct.

By the way, my strategy in such conversations is defined by just one realization in my childhood - that for any genocide I don't want to be an accomplice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I know it's your right to consider people subhuman. And yes, that's normal. Normal for genocide.

Subhumans don't deserve human rights, now do they?

Don't say you don't want to be an accomplice to genocide if you talk about human beings as if they aren't humans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are a shitty human being, now get off me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Interesting accusation coming from someone who made a vague accusation about me, refused to clarify, then lied about clarifying.

Seems sort of a shitty way to behave to me, but I'm not the one who judges this sort of thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

OK, you've owned everybody with facts and logic, now go away

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

No one is forcing you to respond to me. If you want me to stop talking to you, stop responding. But if you are going to keep responding, perhaps you could finally tell me what I decided for others and when I decided it?