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[–] [email protected] 143 points 10 months ago (5 children)

On the one hand, I hope he loses.

On the other hand, I hope Meta also loses.

Something tells me we are the ones who lose.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

And on the brain... Worms!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Regardless, the lawyers win.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The brain worm is up to something...

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There is no freedom of speech guarantee in private or public enterprise. Only government.

Yet another tool that uses “freedom of speech” incorrectly to basically mean “I want to force people to listen to my bullshit.” How these people running for office don’t get the first amendment is amazing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Yet another tool that uses “freedom of speech” incorrectly

Often freedom of speech is a moral ideal, a moral aspiration, and dismissing it on legal grounds is missing the point.

If I say "people should have a right to healthcare", and you respond "people do not have a legal right to healthcare", you are correct, but you have missed the point. If I say people should have freedom of speech and you respond that the first amendment doesn't apply to Facebook, you are right, but have again missed the point.

In general, when people advocate for any change, they can be countered with "well, the law doesn't require that". Yes, society currently works the way the law says it should. But what we're talking about is how society should work and how the law should change.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Okay, but you don't win lawsuits based on how the law ought to be

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The thing is people shouldnt have that level of "freedom of speech"

No one is above reproach.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That’s lovely, and I appreciate the sentiment. It doesn’t change the fact that someone abuses the term in order to force others to listen to BS. I’m not opposed to the ideal, I am opposed to the expectation that people have a right to make you listen to them.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is no freedom of speech guarantee in private or public enterprise.

And the consequence of this policy is a back-door path to censorship. A combination of surveillance, selective-admittance, and media saturation allow certain ideological beliefs to suffice the "marketplace of ideas" while others are silenced.

“I want to force people to listen to my bullshit.”

Its more that privatized media infrastructure allows for a monopolization of speech.

Big media companies still force people to listen to bullshit, by way of advertising and algorithmic promotion. Go on YouTube, click through their "recommended" list a few times, and you'll quickly find yourself watching some Mr. Beast episode or PraegerU video, simply because these folks have invested so heavily in self-promotion.

But there's a wide swath of content you won't see, either because YouTube's algorithm explicitly censors it for policy reasons, because the media isn't maxing out the SEO YouTube execs desire (the classic Soy Face thumbnail for instance), or because you're not spending enough money to boost visibility.

This has nothing to do with what the generic video watcher wants to see and everything to do with what YouTube administration wants that watcher to see.

RFK Jr is a nasty little freak with some very toxic beliefs. But that's not why he's struggling to get noticed on the platform, when plenty of other nasty freaks with toxic beliefs get mainstream circulation.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Really don't need to hear anything coming from this guy. It's always batshit crazy and it's a waste of time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I remember seeing be was a guest on Rogan and thinking, "Oh, wow. I guess I'll listen to Rogan again this one time to hear a Kennedy talking."

Turns out it was right on fucking brand for Rogan.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shadow banning is definitely too much imo. It's simply unethical no matter how you look at it.

First, it doesn't do anything to prevent bots. It takes less than a second for a bot to check whether they are shadow banned. It's simply a tool to bully and gaslight people - just block them. Why these abusive games?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

IDK, I think it can be an effective tool against trolls because it wastes the time they'd otherwise spend harassing people.

But that's not what RFK is, he's a legitimate candidate for president and should be given the same consideration other candidates are, not shadowbanned because someone doesn't like his message.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Nothing legit about him. He has no chance.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's legit in that his campaign went through the process to get on the ballot in certain states. That has nothing to do with his chances.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (16 children)

Effectiveness is irrelevant here. Breaking troll's kneecaps would be very effective too.

This mental manipulation and gaslighting has no place in our society. We're literally suffering the consequences of this right now.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Man talking to himself accuses company of action they are allowed to perform

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (5 children)

So what? How does he think Meta is liable for anything here?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

it’s gotta be posturing for his base “lone hero stands up to big tech”

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

He lets the worm do the thinking.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can't get elected without big tech bribes, and he just bit the hand that feeds.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s ok. He can’t get elected anyway

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

He'll never recover after the death of his running mate: VP Brain Worm.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, VP Brain Worm laid eggs.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let them fight. I want a discovery on this

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Does everyone hate Bobby Kennedy so much that they’ll side with Facebook and Zuckerberg over a career environmental attorney because he’s running for president?

[–] [email protected] 76 points 10 months ago (13 children)

He's an unhinged anti-vaxxer and all around conspiracy theorist. Summarizing him as an environmental lawyer is being real generous.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“Let’s imagine: It’s time to elect a world leader, and your vote counts. Which would you choose:

“Candidate A: Associates with ward healers and consults with astrologists; has had two mistresses; chain-smokes and drinks eight to ten martinis a day.

“Candidate B: Was kicked out of office twice; sleeps until noon; used opium in college; drinks a quart of brandy every evening.

“Candidate C: Is a decorated war hero, a vegetarian, doesn’t smoke, drinks an occasional beer, and has had no illicit love affairs.

“Which of these candidates is your choice? You don’t really need any more information, do you? Candidate A is Franklin Roosevelt. Candidate B is Winston Churchill. Candidate C is Adolf Hitler.”

Biased and selective comparisons can prove anything.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Okay, but he also has admitted to have decreased cognitive function and memory problems because of the brain worms. I don't think that it's a horrible bias to say that people who have decreased cognitive function and memory problems because of brain worms probably shouldn't be president.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (8 children)

No, because he’s actually quite mad and belongs nowhere near any kind of power. I can see his conspiracy theories appealing to the Q type, but most of them are going to go for Trump. He’s polling this highly because he’s an unknown. As more people start paying attention to who he actually is, he will be the Herman Cain of the race.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

According to Kennedy, Meta is colluding with the Biden administration to sway the 2024 presidential election by suppressing Kennedy's documentary and making it harder to support Kennedy's candidacy. This allegedly has caused "substantial donation losses," while also violating the free speech rights of Kennedy, his supporters, and his film's production company, AV24.

In this case, Meta and the Biden administration are claimed to be co-conspirators colluding to block citizens from promoting their favorite presidential candidate.

We can very much dislike both while also agreeing that this is fucking stupid. While we continue to very much dislike both, one is clearly in the wrong on this issue and pointing out the sheer stupidity of Kennedy’s actions is not “siding” with Zuckerberg.

I don’t care what his profession is/was - he’s wrong and it would be disingenuous to give him a pass because he did a thing at some point in his life that I agreed with.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

I don't think anyone "hates" him. He's just an absurd human that no one takes seriously. And we all agree we have much more dire things to discuss than what rich white people are calling managers about now.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah he's great. He should take the rest of those brain worms, I think the worms should be in charge!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (21 children)

The whole problem with shadowbans is that they are not very easy to prove (without cooperation from Meta). One can be shadowbanned from one area (by geolocation), but not from another. One can be shadowbanned for some users but not for other. The decisions here can be made based on any kind of data and frankly Meta has a lot to make it efficient and yet hard to prove.

Shadowbans should just be illegal as a thing, first, and second, some of the arguments against him from the article are negligible.

I just don't get you people hating him more than the two main candidates. It seems being a murderer is a lesser problem than being a nutcase for you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (17 children)

Shadowbans should just be illegal as a thing

I bet you scream about your first amendment rights being violated whenever a moderator deletes your posts.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Shadowbans help prevent bot activity by preventing a bot from knowing if what they posted was actually posted. Similar to vote obfuscation. It wastes bot’s time so it’s a good thing.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (6 children)

You think hes better than Biden? Why?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (19 children)

Meta is a private company and can do whatever the fuck they like.

This guy shouldn't be let anywhere near a position of decision making, let alone the highest office in the nation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Private companies should not be able to do whatever the fuck they like. They have a very important responsibility, and they will not consider ethics over profit, unless we as a society force them to.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He could have been a great dude but he just HAD to go down the antivax rabbit hole. Fuckin’ shame.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

bro he looks like the heavens gate guy

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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