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violating the constitution by establishment of a religion
Louisiana is a real conservative religious armpit.
States can establish religions. Federal government can't.
Edit: Forgot that federal government can indoctrinate religion just fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
Over the last 150 years, the Supreme Court has pretty consistently found that the Bill of Rights applies to state as well as federal government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights
See especially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education:
Mandatory "one nation under god" pledge in school classes disagrees that religion cannot be established.
The pledge isn't mandatory. By law, it has to be optional. Schools have gotten in trouble over it.
Don't bother. Every time you point out they say something that isn't true, they change the subject.
There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of "trouble" doesn't disprove any of this.
Also, the US print religious indoctrination on their currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
I'm not arguing for religion to be in school. I'm just saying what's there is already bad enough without making stuff up.
Its also said "with liberty and justice for all" during a time where people kept literal slaves, without a hint of irony.
The wording far too inconsistent and vague to be taken as literally as you're attempting to take them.
That's not how it works. State law can't supersede federal law.
And Congress cannot pass laws on that. Constitution says so.
That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.
Mandatory "one nation under god" pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.
Those are literally not mandatory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
Except when they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges
"the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don't believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message"
"As a matter of historical tradition, the words 'under God' can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words 'In God We Trust' from every coin in the land, than the words 'so help me God' from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787."
I'm not sure what you think those quotes prove. Those quotes say nothing about it being mandatory.
That it's perfectly fine to for the government to promote Christian religion, i.e. what the submitted story is about.
That would also be false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_deism
Now, will you admit you were incorrect about the pledge of allegiance being mandatory in schools?
Nah, that's a bullshit excuse for religious indoctrination.
No. If the pledge must be taught in school and some individual students can opt out of repeating that indoctrination, doesn't mean that the pledge itself is not mandatory subject in school. I did not write that all students must recite it.
All your "ceremonial deism" reference proves is that there is a giant loophole for the federal government to indoctrinate on religion and not just state and lower levels.
This is also not a requirement. I'm just going to stop talking to you. Virtually everything you have said so far has not been true and you won't even acknowledge any of it.
Good, then I won't have to deal with notifications that some forms of religious indoctrination are just secular ceremony.
Some of the incorrect information that I corrected were common misconceptions, so I felt like it was worth doing it for others for a while.
Not if the 14th amendment has anything to say about it. The incorporation doctrine of the 14th amendment applies the first 10 amendments to the state level as well.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine