It's also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.
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Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back
Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.
I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good
Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.
That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.
I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.
Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.
The browser is open source (MPL)
Never knew that, thanks for the correction.
I know the search is not but I thought the browser was on GitHub
I stand corrected!
Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.
https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).
It does not matter if it lumps them together or not. Google still has 90% and they’re not Bing. Yandax another ~3% and they’re not Bing. That means at max Bing is 7% if you combine the rest. 3.5% vs 7% does not change the root of my argument.
Those points you make against Brave are valid though. I just run into too many people who are in the Brave cult and it’s concerning.
trained? like AI trained?
Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing
forgive my ignorance but why doesn't it get its own results
No?
Yeah I was confused by that choice of words. Train is for ML and AIs. Search engines used to need crawlers to run regularly because, you know, shit changes.