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You're at a work retreat for a month, and management is taking a vote on what to get for food. Word is that everyone else is about 50/50 split between BBQ ribs, and pepperoni pizza. You're a vegetarian, what you'd really like is Indian food, but the only ones interested are a handful of other vegetarians. If ribs win, you starve, if pizza wins, you spend the next month picking off pepperonis. How do you vote?
Edit: lots of downvotes, but not a single answer. What a shock.
Again, no one said anything about voting for republicans. How about you try on this hypothetical:
You're president of the USA and the country that receives the highest amount of your foreign aid is committing genocide. If you continue sending billions in dollars and weapons then you lose votes, but if you stop supporting genocide, then you gain votes. How do you president?
But I'm not the president, I'm a voter. I'm not talking to the president, I'm taking to a voter. Hypotheticals about being the president offer no insight into beneficial behavior for myself or the one I'm taking to. Hypotheticals about voting strategy do.
Cool, who do I vote for to stop genocide?
No-genocide hasn't been on the ballot for many, many years. Turns out, the voters who feel strongly enough about this particular genocide for it to affect their vote are a fairly small fraction with characteristically low turnout anyway. Sadly, not really worth actively pursuing as a candidate.
Your choices are between measured diplomatic tolerance of genocide, and enthusiastic acceleration of genocide (with a couple other genocides thrown in too). It's a close race. No genocide doesn't have a chance, and voting no genocide increases the odds of enthusiastic acceleration of genocide.
No-genocide is on the ballot right now and it's being made loud and clear, but biden is choosing to ignore it and people like you are trying to shame the people who care about genocide into not caring about it with hogwash like this:
That is a ridiculous string of words.
I care about genocide, which is why I'm trying to minimize it by preventing Trump from getting into office. Y'know, they guy who thinks Israel should've gotten it over with already? People like you are trying to shame voters into letting the guy who wants more genocide into office. Congratulations, you're voting for more-genocide.
Bullshit. The choice is shitty, but it's your choice to make.
Answer my original question:
The sheer amount of privilege to make the equivalent of genocide in your metaphor pepperoni on a pizza you have to pick off.
Jesus f****** Christ.
There are tens of thousands of dead children dude. You call that picking pepperoni off of f****** pizza?
You think there's only a handful of people in this country who care about genocide? Or I'm sorry, apparently caring about genocide means you're a vegan? What are you going to tell me next that killing Indian children is cool because of bacon?
Yikes
Do... you understand how metaphors work?
It's not saying pepperoni pizza and genocide the same, it's saying the underlying mechanics between being forced to chose from 2 choices, one clearly more shitty than the other are similar. It's using a simpler, easy to understand framing device to show the similarity of the thought process.
You're either a moron or a disingenuous piece of shit.
I'm neither but I'm pointing out that in your situation, the parallel of a pepperoni pizza to genocide isn't the same because you can undo pepperoni pizza by taking the pepperonis off. Are you going to unmurder those children?
Tell me in your metaphor where you can pick off the f****** pepperoni tell me what the equivalent is you daft f****** fascist
The pig is dead both ways. Picking off the pepperonis doesn't un-kill the pigs. Millions of pigs slaughtered every year, you don't care about that though. Just like you don't care about the Ukrainians who depend on our aid, or the millions of additional Palestinians who will die when we shift from lackluster Joe to Finish-the-Job Donald
Answer the question you child.
The pig is dead both ways. Are you telling me to accept that all of Palestine has already been killed that there is not killing currently going on??
See this is why the metaphor is f****** stupid And doesn't f****** work?.
There's still innocent leople being slaughtered everyday and you're over here supporting it.
I hope that you take one of their places. I hope that you and your family are killed instead of them because they have a chance of being empathetic where I can tell you're not. I won't be wasting my time replying to you again
No, they're not all dead, because Biden is at least putting some slight pressure on them. How difficult is it to get through your toddler level of object permanence that Trump fully supports this genocide and wants Israel to finish it. If Biden loses, then yes all the Palestinians will be dead. Peddle your Russian troll farm genocide accelerationism someplace else. I know you want to see Palestine and Ukraine glassed, but some of us actually have empathy beyond political performative idealism.
Answer the question or go back to middle school with the other kiddies.
You think the f***** who's supplying weapons to the genociders is slowing down the genocide?
I know I said I wasn't going to respond. That's the dumbest f****** thing I've ever heard.
Let me put it to you. This way if someone's ever torturing you the death, I will slow them down by supplying them the equipment to make you feel the most pain possible.
It's a tragedy that it's not you and your family starving to death and instead it's innocent people.
All right, you really want the question answered. Here's my answer. Genocide's not involved so I'll just eat the f****** pizza. You f****** privileged piece of s***
There you go. Harm reduction, was that so hard? Genocide is absolutely involved, factory farms are horrifying cesspools of daily genocide uniformly supported by both sides , but you don't care because it's not topical. And Russia isn't paying you to push vegetarianism.
When one bad thing is way worse than the other, you choose the less bad one. Biden enables genocide, Trump accelerates it. It's really simple when you actually care more about people's lives than virtue signaling. Which option leads to less suffering, choose that one. As bad a Biden is for Palestine, Trump is worse.
It's never for them, it's for the on-lookers who might think they have a point.
As an onlooker, I'm happy to inform you both that I've been convinced to vote third party thanks.
Are you bragging about not understanding American elections, being an actual fascist, or deliberately voting against your personal interests? It's gotta be the fascism right? Who would brag about being ignorant or counterproductive?
None of the above. I understand how this country's electoral system works. I'm also a socialist farthest thing that could be from a fascist.
Did you just throw a bunch of random questions out there because you're a dumbass? Just kidding, I already know the answer is yes 🤣
Counterproductive to what genocide?
Basic logic. Third parties aren't viable in American presidential elections because of the spoiler effect present in our FPTP system. That means that you're happy to say you're voting third party because 1. You don't understand this basic fact 2. You do understand this basic fact, but it doesn't bother you because enabling the fascist voting block by throwing your vote away pleases you. 1 is self-explanatory, 2 is explained by either being a fascist yourself, or by being masochistically pleased by enabling fascists against your interests.
Being an actual socialist, who is against fascism, is incompatible with voting third party. Which means you either don't understand the electoral system (ignorant) or you do but you're enabling the fascist genocide accelerationists anyway (counterproductive).
Once again, splitting the vote to try to "teach the Democrats a lesson" is precisely what the Republicans want, since it increases their chances of winning. Another thing the Republicans want, once they win, is to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, which is objectively worse for Palestinians (total-genocide) than Democrats (historic status quo of mild genocide). Total casualties are presently a relatively small proportion of Palestinians, that proportion will increase significantly under the MAGA administration.
MAGA increases genocide, splitting left vote to third party enables MAGA. Voting third party is counterproductive to fighting Palestinian genocide, Q.E.D.
Whose alt account are you? Don't you get your pay docked for being this obvious?