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You can try to pretend trump was good for the world because US bAd but he wasn't.
Who said Trump was good? Nobody in this thread, that's for damn sure
They're simping for him. They don't need to state the obvious directly for me to notice it
Pointing out the facts about Biden is not “simping” for that pile of shit Trump. It’s like when someone criticizes Biden, we’re required to also provide a list of why Trump is bad.
Have you seen the guy? He’s completely open about his quid pro quo corruption. He hired his entire family to positions of power because why not. He shared top secret documents like it was nothing, while hiding them at his shitty golf resort. He’s painfully fucking blatant and obvious about how shitty he is. We don’t need to supply a list of why he sucks because the dude is a cartoon supervillain. Trust me, when I talk about how shitty Genocide Joe is, I’m definitely not pushing for another 4 years of that asshole Trump.
The reason we have to point things out about Biden is because a ton of otherwise smart people have fallen for this nonsense that he’s somehow good, when he’s nothing but a covert shill for corporations and war, just like every candidate has to be when they become the president of the United States. People like me are tired of the kindergarten-level “if you’re not voting for Biden, you’re voting for Trump” logic that we have to hear on repeat on a daily basis. Why can’t they both be shit? Why can’t it simply be a conversation of why democracy in the US is dead and the fact that we need some sort of political revolution or a goddamn miracle at this point?
Making the assumption that we like A because we criticized B and vice versa is just stupid and dismissive. The world is not that black and white and everyone knows that. This kind of attitude is absolutely counterproductive to unhooking ourselves from these Groundhog Day elections every 4 years where we’re forced to pick from a right-winger or a right-winger.
It's a two party system and an election year. Not complicated
That’s reductive and defeatist as fuck. Third party candidates and parties exist. They don’t suddenly cease to exist simply because the 2 right-wing parties we’ve had forced upon us have gone out of their way to prevent them from participating. I don’t suddenly like Trump because I hate Biden and vice versa. I hate them both, just like I hate the fact that democracy in the US died years ago. Having to vote for 2 shades of fascism is not an actual valid choice and giving it merit is the equivalent of validating it as acceptable.
Ah yes, the great and amazing third parties of the US. In this corner we've got the Libertarians, aka the "republicans that like weed and dislike age of consent laws" party, and in the other corner we have the Green Party, aka the "pops up every election year to complain how both sides are bad, before promptly returning to the ether upon the elections conclusion" party.
Such good options, I truly don't know why anyone wouldn't want to vote for one of those two. /s
I don’t care about who thinks what about them. It’s the fact that they are pushed out. It’s a system that has been hijacked to benefit the wealthy and no one else. If dumb people want to interpret that as “oh you want Trump to win,” I’ve got nothing for them. I’d put that fuck in the guillotine just as fast as I’d put Biden, Obama, Bush, and Hillary.
Also Biden being a fascist and the same as Trump= lol
they didn't say they're the same.
"two shades of fascism" is more extreme than saying they're the same. My bad
oh, they are both definitely fascist.
yes this is the lie so many of us hate and the same lie that will elect trump who is fucking infinitely worse. I won't argue back with any more smooth brains who say shit like this, I called you out on your lies and that's enough.
a modern nation state with a mechanized military is absolutely indistinguishable from fascism.
they will do whatever it takes to maintain the power of the state to field that military, so they will do whatever it takes to maintain the power of the state. everything else, the trappings of law and order, the facade of democratic control, the illusion of economic freedom, they will only exist so far as they are necessary to maintain state power.
under pax americana, our mutual defense treaties have relieved many states of the necessity of fielding their own military to the extent necessary to defend their state, but the mutual defense treaties make them absolutely complicit in the fascism of the states capable of defending them. in particular, the usa, but any other military power as well.
opposing the creep of outspoken politically fascist movements to seize the reigns of these technocratically fascist states is secondary, in my consideration, to the dismantling of the technocratic fascist states.
it seems that you are content to tolerate the fascist state so long as someone you can’t identify as politically fascist controls it. i am not.
This describes nearly every country that has ever existed, so how does the term have any meaning if you're right about this definition of fascism?
... this is a conversation about policy difference. Somehow by saying "actually there's a large difference" when there obviously is, means I have no issue with fascism? Nevermind that that would be an entirely separate topic that we only touched on because you brought it up apropos of nothing. I mean, that's just brain dead. Your official position:
"closing all the borders and eliminating all healthcare programs is literally the exact same as mostly maintaining the status quo then slowly adding improvements here and there. just like how boiling water is identical to lukewarm water."
I often wonder like what deluded thought process gets you from just going around saying smoothbrain bullshit like this and the perfect communist utopia you imagine? Are you actively eating lead every day or something? I don't even know how I'd turn my brain off like that if I wanted to.
if you're willing to vote for joe biden, knowing his policies up to this point, then you are willing to vote for fascism.
if all countries implemented direct democracy, does direct democracy lose its meaning?
Actually, kind of, yes. Because there wouldn't need to be a distinction drawn... just how words work.
we are all human but we still have a word for it. you don't seem to have a good grap of the concept of language.
Lol nope. The word human exists because other lifeforms do and you need a way to differentiate. Democracy is a word that exists because other governments exist. This is hilarious.
You're proving my point. You need words to describe things that aren't obvious or differ from other similar things.
And I wouldn't ridicule you if you weren't obviously dodging facts.
one of us is dodging facts, but its not me: i know what words mean.
Yes the person who thinks everyone is fascist is the one in touch with reality.
i never said everyone is fascist.
Just the vast majority of countries. And of course those who disagree with you.
being wrong doesn't make you a fascist. siding with fascist does though.
god i hope this means you found the block button
this is so vague it probably doesn't even mean anything.
When is the last time a third party got anywhere close to victory in a presidential election? I don't think they've broken 7% of votes in decades and decades. There is zero indication that would change so what are you talking about?
You ever stop and ask yourself why no other party or candidate stands a chance? It could perhaps be the decades of mental conditioning that has locked the working class into an infinite loop of “vote blue no matter who” and “let’s go Brandon” dipshittery, coupled with every propped up candidate being a corporate warmongering shill. It’s pay to play or piss off. It’s just wild to me that some people refuse to see it from their comfortable neolib and conservative bubbles.
I don't have to wonder about the concept of inertia. We can see it everywhere. I also don't wonder about whether or not I can defy it just by thinking happy thoughts and pissing my vote into the wind
I don’t care how people vote. It’s their choice and I’m not going to tell them otherwise. But I’m also going to be realistic about who these people truly are, and acknowledge the facts. The US isn’t a democracy.
I'm glad that because it's all a sham anyhow, watching your compatriots set the world on fire is no sweat off your back. 👎
You assumed things based on what I said and none of them were true. So it’s abundantly clear you don’t want to have a conversation because it’s easier to make disingenuous claims. I’m pro-working class first and foremost. Always have been because I was raised that way.
Yeah if you're going to encourage people to vote in fascism you got no leg to stand on there.
Encouraging people to make informed, conscious decisions doesn’t equate to telling them to vote for fascism. This is that 2-dimensional shit I’m talking about. I don’t care who anyone votes for. If anything, I hope Trump’s conviction keeps him off the ballot altogether.
The way presidential elections have gone for many decades inform us that any vote not for Biden is essentially against him. Not 2 dimensional to acknowledge that basic fact.
We can agree on that last point but it doesn't seem at all likely. He very much might win
Wtf? The guy who blew up the general who beat ISIS while he was on a peace mission in a third country? The guy who escalated the drone warfare across Iraq and Syria? Who escalated the trade war with China?
No, America did not stop being an evil empire or start being good for global stability under Trump.
What the hell are you talking about? Nothing I said resembled trump support
You were implying Trump was good because the US is bad, but Trump's foreign policy was as destructive as every other presidents.
What the fuck are you smoking? Read better
That's... literally the exact opposite of what they said.