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Biden camp warns Trump could still get re-elected with ‘unhinged campaign of revenge’
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By not voting they support all of it.
You have to recognize how absurdly fucked this logic is, right? "You have to vote for the guy currently in office who is actively supporting and supplying genocide or else you support genocide."
I'm not saying don't vote, but I am saying that if you want to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you then you need to find a different tactic.
So your options are work to make it better or give up. You've chosen give up.
Then stop bothering the rest of us who are trying to make things better. Your whining from the peanut gallery is annoying. You aren't going to get any sympathy for your bitching here.
My assumption is that you are white, middle class and cishet male. Because you can apparently afford to give up.
Do you seriously not understand the implications of a Trump presidency for women, queer folk, transgender folk and minorities? The environment? Years of at least some progress on progressive policies? The minimum wage? Social Security? Democracy itself?
We don't even have to speculate - they've literally told us what they are going to do.
Once again. I'm glad you have the luxury of having this attitude. Because clearly the progress we've made doesn't in any way affect you. Congrats.
Your ignorance seems to know no bounds. But I hope you have a nice weekend.
If Trump gets elected and people like me are hunted down as devients, nobody can get safe abortions and thousands of transgender kids are denied the care they need... oh, and we end up at war with China while Israel does whatever it wants and the Ukraine is wiped off the map... I'll be sure to congratulate you on your "making a difference".
Again, I’m sorry this country hates you. I agree that minorities are facing a horrible situation. The difference between you and I is that I no longer believe voting for Biden, or the orange asshole, or the lunatic will fundamentally change the direction of the country. I can and will continue to support LGBTQ and other minority group policies and programs and people but again, I do not believe my vote will do anything for those causes. I am fundamentally against supporting any of them. I have a choice of evil, evil or evil. Instead I’m choosing to bow out.
I have one more thing to say before I ignore you.
What galls me is not that you feel that voting makes no difference. I think that's juvenile and so provably false but it's a feeling I can at least empathize with. From a narrow uninformed perspective in a limited time frame, yeah, I suppose "progress" is so slow it may not appear to be happening.
No, what pisses me off is that you don't listen to the people actually affected by this. This is so typically white male: ignoring any other input but your own because hey, problem? what problem? What solution? Doesn't affect me!
Here you literally have at least one person who will be, unlike you, very much affected by another Republican administration and all the justices that get appointed as a result. This person is saying to you that this one simple thing you can do - which costs you nothing - will help them out. This person is saying that actually it matters to them and makes a difference to them, their family and their friends.
But you are so secure in your privilege that you choose to say "nope, you are wrong, I'm right... nothing I can do here". Not even a "hmmm, maybe I should look into this more and ask others".
That's so fucking arrogant and selfish.
Do you want the best possible outcome for gazans? Then vote for Biden. It really is that simple.
You can simultaneously acknowledge that having Biden in the white house is the best outcome for gazans amongst possible alternatives, and that you find Biden's position unconsciable.
If you fail to take action, the plight of gazans will be worse, amongst many other disasters as yet unknown.
You realise conservatives don't want you to vote?
Of course they would, because they know trump would actively grind their surviving families to dust.
Yes but I'm sure you realise that's not causative. We're not in this situation because you voted progressive in every election. We're in this situation because too many of your countrymen became apathetic and didn't vote because "both sides are just as bad".
I don't follow.
If everyone voted and the dems had a very clear majority that would make a very real difference in terms of the way the country is going.
If progressives like your good self withhold their vote in protest, the best we will get is the dems just barely getting up - the shitty status quo we have presently.
You have a habit of speaking in metaphors, but none are really analogous.
If you don't choose the best, someone else is going to hire the worst on your behalf and you'll be stuck with them.
Voting will not distract you from looking for a life-raft, the right captain will not murder the other passengers, and there's no life-raft anyway.
Not evidence that its not true.
Precisely because they don't have enough votes to fix anything, because voters are lost to this "both sides are just as bad" narrative from the conservatives.
You keep saying you've heard my arguments before, but don't seem able to directly rebut them?
Just because you've been told something many times does not make it untrue.
Voting for the best option even though it's not perfect, is not how we ended up here.
We ended up here because people don't vote. As I've said many times (and you haven't responded) conservatives don't want you to vote. They want you feeling despondent and defeated and apathetic as you do.
You don't need to "vote harder", you just need to vote.
A democracy with only two options is a dictatorship of the winner. Your political influence isn't limited to voting though, voting is the first action in a democracy, not the last.