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Veteran here. Donald Trump fucking hates 'the troops'. The number of active duty and prior service who still (or ever) support that anti-American shit stain blows my mind.
Here's some light reading - this list is WAY outdated at this point, so feel free to contribute some more links in the comments. These are examples of things he's done specifically to attack the US military / veterans:
https://lemmy.world/post/8041636
I guess this is part of hating "the troops"?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-applauds-passage-and-enactment-servicemembers-and-veterans-initiative-act
It's so fuckin' funny how his apologists will ignore a mile-high stack of his personal deficits to point to a solitary instance of someone in his administration making a humane decision and attributing that to the most selfish prick who has ever ascended to the presidency.
Just ROFL.
I'm not an apologist. Show me, directly from the horse's mouth what Trump said. I searched for it, but it's all about the accusation made about Trump making a statement.
Sure bud. Remember the time when he shit on POWs?
Yep. I did. It was during the time he was disrespecting McCain.
So... Then what is your point?
There's a difference between disrespecting a specific person, which I don't agree with vs disrespecting dead servicemen and women.
If anyone can provide the proof from the horse's mouth that'd be great. Otherwise all I'm seeing is a rumor and we're all supposed to believe it, blindfully. I don't roll that way.
I like people who weren't captured.
McCain wasn't the only one he was denigrating there.
I'll make it easy for you: if he was insulting Obama and said "I like people who aren't black," then would be specifically insulting the former president, but also black people in general.
Can you follow now? Or does your intentional obtuseness preclude that?
I understand, but the OP posted about Trump, "Calling Dead Soldiers ‘Suckers’ and ‘Losers". That's all I've asking about. Is if there's an actual video or audio clip of Trump making this statement. That's a pretty effed up statement.
Yes I'm acknowledging his past regarding McCain and POWs, I don't find that acceptable. Just so we're clear.
So are you saying that the only time that you consider something actual proof is if it is recorded? I mean, there is reports directly from John Kelly (former White House Chief of Staff), but you think he is lying?
Maybe you can dig what you need out of here: https://lemmy.world/post/8041636
Word of mouth means nothing today. Just a bunch of high school kids participating in rumors.
Well seeing as you never SAID you were asking about Trump, "Calling Dead Soldiers ‘Suckers’ and ‘Losers" that can't be true.
OP said "Trump hates the troops" and you replied with "show me what he said". They did that. Now the goal posts are being moved.
Did you search for it?
Google searched, "trump hates troops" and "trump insults dead troops".. I was hoping to witness it directly from the horse's mouth.
Is that you, Thomas?
So.. nothing directly from Trump's mouth? Ah well.. thanks for trying.
They never found a direction from Hitler setting up the death camps for the final solution. By your reckoning he wasn't responsible.
In courts of law, a first person testimony is considered evidence. Quite a few people have heard Trump say these things.
The thing is, most people wouldn't lie about this sort of thing. Or even be capable of making it up. Our minds just don't work this way. If any of this was incongruent from what we already publicly see from him, it would be harder to believe. But it exactly follows every other "hot mic" situation he has had so far. It's not like we're taking it on faith that some otherwise completely upstanding citizen is rumored to have done one terrible thing behind closed doors. Even if it turns out this specific thing isn't one of the things he said, he has said worse anyway, and not even behind closed doors. This would just pile on to an already disgusting pile of terrible things to say about people.
Our minds don't work this way? LMAO I'm done. Literally Youtube will destroy this argument. So yeah, I don't just accept everything at face value. It's just one person's word vs the other in this story.
4 people vs one *
*corrected your obviously good faith error
Ah yes, of course, doing something right obviously means none of the wrong happened.
Hey if you have the direct link to Trump saying what he said, I'll be more than happy to check it out. It would definitely be effed up if Trump disrespected dead servicemen and women.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/17/558368880/trump-s-claim-is-wrong-comments-on-presidents-calls-to-military-families-rebutte
https://time.com/3963612/donald-trump-john-mccain-military-service/
Besides John McCain article, I just read accusations. Is there anything directly from Trump?
Dismissing credible accusations from multiple sources, and completely disregarding his actions such as skipping memorial visits because of rain. You’re just going to set an unreasonably high standard in bad faith so you don’t have to consider that you could ever be wrong about something. Cool move.
He did where have you been
Ah good, can you provide the audio or video clip directly from Trump's mouth making these statements?
Hang on let me exfiltrate my bugs in the oval office
This is going to be a pain
So, in your opinion, did anything in the universe verifiably happened until after 1857?
We are in a political climate where anything is believable. Like the idiots who think Biden shat his pants in France.. when it clearly looked, to me at least, like he was hesitating to sit down (he wasn't supposed to sit down in the first place).
We also live in a world where Deepfakes exist. You'll just accuse any evidence of being fake and keep moving the goalposts.
I don't trust chit from the media. I would even say, I don't trust it unless I see it with my own eyes and hear it with my own ears.. but now that AI is around.
So asking for evidence is pointless. You're still not seeing it with your own eyes and hearing it with your own ears because it could have been faked.
Asking people for proof when you will not believe anything they could possibly provide (short of bringing you a time machine to see it for yourself) is entirely disingenuous.
So we're gonna pretend like false allegations don't exist? I'd think by now people would wisen up. How many false allegations have we witnessed? How many lives ruined because of accusations? Families destroyed? Men imprisoned over lies?
I try to be careful about what I accept as fact.
You've still not actually stated what you would accept as a fact that would be reasonable for someone to actually provide.
A literal audio recording or a video coming from the horse's mouth. But because of AI's awesomeness.. I would hold onto my decision for a while until things are vetted and proven factually. AI will in fact be used by government(s) to create deep fakes. Anything to continue striking fear and hate into the hearts of its citizens.
So how would they be proven factually then if the literal audio or video are not enough?
My point is you are demanding proof from people, but it is impossible for them to provide proof you would find satisfactory. You just said a literal video recording would not be enough for you, so what is it you expect a Lemmy user to actually provide?
The man who openly mocked a disabled woman in front of thousands of MAGA doesn't actually have normal boundaries. That's his entire character.
So…. dumpster fires can still provide warmth, what’s your point?
Just block, don't argue. A person who would post this while ignoring everything he's said in public, and then force you to debate them on whether he ever said anything in public? That's not good faith. Block. This is not a person you want to talk to.
Hmmm... A department of Justice press release written in 2021 praising a current administration effort. Sounds like something that must be 100% factual and not written for any other reason than pure truthiness.