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[–] [email protected] 77 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Oh please! I'd love to see Big Oil shrivel and die just like our societies and very planet have under their influence.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They will just take all their oil billions and buy up battery companies at the last moment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

They can do that with a lot of them, but not all. You can't really sell an oil platform when nobody is buying oil anymore. The "stranded assets" is a huge motivator for fossil industries to prolong the switch to renewables as long as possible. Problem is the governments being complicit. They could have made clear paths from when on no new fossil investments were allowed to create a proper phase out.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Too bad the lithium battery industry is no better. Those places are child labor slave mines and the environmental damage is astronomical..

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

You're probably thinking of cobalt or perhaps hard rock lithium mines. Most lithium is just pumped out of the ground as brines, just like oil.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is true but coal mining is just as bad and requires orders of magnitude (mineral fuels) more excavation than all of the other minerals combined. If we can stop mining coal by using renewables the total amount of mining will be a fraction of what it currently is. Plus many of the other minerals can be reused where coal just ends up as carbon in the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is exactly it. Of course battery production is harmful too, but not only is it less harmful than other sources to extract, you also don't have to burn batteries to generate the power. With fossil fuels, the extraction is massively more harmful and then the use itself creates even more pollution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Trees are technically a green, renewable fuel (if humanity used them that way). The carbon dioxide released is that which was sequestered during the tree's life.

But oil is gathering material that accrued over vast amounts of time, and using that, dumping huge volumes of co2 directly onto the air. There's no cycle happening there - just pure extraction for our extinction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Just take a look where most of these rare raw material resources exist and note what attitude these countries have to the environmental cause. Zero, none. Russia, China, Africa https://www.dw.com/en/how-chinas-mines-rule-the-market-of-critical-raw-materials/a-57148375 I bet they won't mind destroying whole local ecosystem just to get extra bucks Europe needs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

well damn.. learned more about mining in 267 pages than I ever thought possible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You really sound desperate to reject any possibility that hard work and human ingenuity can solve problems. I assume it's because you're scared of feeling you have to actually take life seriously and consider the implications of each choice you make.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I reject the possibility that exploration of workers isn't going to be a part of this "human ingenuity". Enjoy your electric cars all you like, but don't pretend nobody was exploited in the making of it.