this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2024
875 points (100.0% liked)
A Boring Dystopia
11851 readers
637 users here now
Pictures, Videos, Articles showing just how boring it is to live in a dystopic society, or with signs of a dystopic society.
Rules (Subject to Change)
--Be a Decent Human Being
--Posting news articles: include the source name and exact title from article in your post title
--If a picture is just a screenshot of an article, link the article
--If a video's content isn't clear from title, write a short summary so people know what it's about.
--Posts must have something to do with the topic
--Zero tolerance for Racism/Sexism/Ableism/etc.
--No NSFW content
--Abide by the rules of lemmy.world
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
It's a violation of international law.
But also? US law forbids giving military aid to nations that commit crimes against humanity, of which torture is recognized under international law.
The law doesn't apply to Israel.
Well, yeah, Israel is the 51st State. The law doesn't apply to Israel because it doesn't apply to the US. Even the US's own laws.
What's not true? That Israel is an extension of the US empire? Or that the law doesn't apply to these war criminals?
They can torture and rape Palestinians in their dungeons for fun and there are no consequences, and it's because they are fundamentally part of the American project.
Ugh, okay, obviously it's not legally a state. No shit. I call it a state to emphasize how integral it is to the US. It's not just power projection, like the Saudi allies or the Ukrainian allies, it's a fundamentally important component of the empire. The empire would be drastically different without Israel to act as a bulwark against African migration and unsinkable aircraft carrier to police oil and gas supplies and a laboratory of oppression for border technology and prison technology and surveillance technology.
The US values Israel higher than literally every other ally and vassal state put together. If the US somehow had to choose between sacrificing Israel or an actual state like Iowa, they'd happily nuke Iowa to keep Israel.
Israel's genocide isn't popular either but they're still doing it and they won't stop.
Israel is that important. Popularity comes second. What are people going to do anyway? Vote for the other guy? lol
It's hard to actually find up-to-date polling (big surprise) but only 42 percent of the US public would favor using US troops to defend Israel if it were attached by Iran (56% oppose). While a slim majority of Republicans would favor US forces defending Israel in this scenario (53%), only four in 10 Independents (42%) and third of Democrats (34%) agree. Yet, we're already putting carriers with US troops in region to threaten Iran in case they retaliate. This suggests, to me, that popular support comes second.
These recent offenses are certainly more egregious than any violation that has come before, though. US policy on Israel is destroying international legitimacy of the US and its so-called "rules based international order" - and it's worth it to the US because Israel is more important than what any other country has to say.
That's popularity for US troops enforcing a peace agreement, not attacking Israel's enemies in the region. Quite the difference!
Yes, and support for Israel is about self-preservation. That's why I called it the 51st state! Israel is incredibly important for power projection into the Middle East and North Africa, for controlling the movement of migrants out of Africa into Asia, for controlling a huge portion of the worlds oil and gas supplies, for controlling trade through the Red Sea and that region of the Mediterranean, and as a live-testing laboratory for border controls and prisons and policing and public surveillance systems. Protecting Israel is a matter of self preservation, and that matters more than the existence or lack-thereof of popular support. Israel matters more than whatever voters have to say.
It's not just that it negatively impacts the US, but rather, it has revealed that the so-called "rules based international order" doesn't actually exist. That has impacts on countries domestically, as voters think long and hard about whether they can trust the US, whether they really should sacrifice so much to oppose countries sanctioned by the US, and it even calls into question whether they should even follow international law at all. That's bad for the US because it relies on this international order for stability and legitimacy.
This is especially important with the decline of the US dollar hegemony and the rise of the BRICS as a parallel world economy. Suddenly there's options for countries like Iran or groups like the Taliban, whereas before they were totally locked out. One of the best control mechanisms for enforcing the "rules based order" is collapsing, and it's happening at the same time as the legitimacy of that "rules based order" is collapsing. These things will feed back into each other, I won't be surprised if we see other countries in the Middle East or North Africa change their alignments completely towards China and restart relations with Iran.