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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 473 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (254 children)

There was a post about making cats vegan. The mod then decided that people posting information on why that is a bad idea were antivegan or something. The mod started then removing any information that pointed to cats not being able to be health while on a vegan diet. The Lemmy.world admins them stepped in stating that improperly feeding your cat constitutes animal abuse and is unethical. This made many die hard vegans very mad.

For the record, cats can not be vegan. They can survive on it but they will have shorter more painful lives and they will go blind. There bodies start breaking down without the proteins and amino acids found in meat. I understand why vegans would be unhappy with that answer but it is the way it is.

Interesting enough, that's not the case for dog. You can put a dog on a vegan diet as long as you are very careful and are constantly monitoring. It isn't for the faint of heart and can have very sad outcomes. It isn't something you can arbitrarily do.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago (29 children)

Disclaimer that I'm not even a vegan but you're spreading disinfo here to make vegans seem completely unreasonable. I suggest anyone check out the actual discussions instead of trusting this summary.

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Cats are obligate carnivores, sparky. That means they can't be vegan.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't know enough about that topic to argue for or against which is not what I'm trying to argue

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

And yet you keep replying...

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

You don't know enough about the topic to argue but claim someone else is spreading misinformation.

Well if you don't know the topic but are making claims like this then it seems like you may be the one spreading misinformation.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

they can't be vegan as that is an ethical choice. they can be plant based and live a perfectly normal life.

tell me where you disagree with this guy:

https://youtu.be/YxjGa0MXfAc

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This asshole is a propagandist

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

a guy who is a professor of animal welfare?

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Cats are obligate carnivores in the wild. This just means they have dietary needs that would normally require meat. But we can make vegan, synthetic food that meets these needs. In fact, studies have shown that cats on vegan diets tend to be healthier if anything.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Show me a scientific study that proves this. If you can say it with confidence, it should be no trouble at all for you to prove it. I, on the other hand, am lazy and don't care all that much, so I want the people confidently stating opinions to share their research to save me effort.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

A quick search reveals quite a few sources and articles to read. I hope this helps. Not an exhaustive list.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Those aren't scientific studies. The vegans have scientific studies. You expect me to believe you know better than them, but you can't show me sources of equal quality?

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One of those is a Wikipedia link which gives you primary sources. 🤔

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Cat food is food specifically formulated and designed for consumption by cats. As obligate carnivores, cats have specific requirements for their dietary nutrients, namely nutrients found only in meat or synthesised, such as taurine and Vitamin A.

Hey look, your Wikipedia link says the nutrients cats need from meat can be synthesised in literally the second sentence.

Vegetarian or vegan cat food has been available for many years, and is targeted primarily at vegan and vegetarian pet owners. While a small percentage of owners choose such a diet based on its perceived health benefits, the majority do so due to ethical concerns, such as about the large environmental impacts of animal agriculture.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Sure, Vitamin A and Taurine can easily be manufactured, but that's not all a cat needs, and there are several necessary proteins that are just too expensive to manufacture at the scale needed for animal feed. but go ahead with your wikipedia scholarship, I'm sure you'll go far in life on that I'm sure.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You also put have the thing where it says they are obligate carnivores in the second sentence of the first paragraph that is cited. I did NOT make those claims just provided you with links for further reading.

Edit: spelling and grammar

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like you aren't very assured of the validity of your sources in backing up your claims. If you don't believe in your own sources, why are you so confident in your opinions?

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hey look, your Wikipedia link says the nutrients cats need from meat can be synthesised in literally the second sentence.

This is what I was referring to.

I wasn't making an argument either way. You asked for someone to help you with your homework and I gave you a place to start with the understanding that you were going to apply critical thinking and check source material after being shown a direction.

You want to bitch about having to think and do work? Stop getting into these types of discussions. I made no claims as to validity just that a quick search revealed many sources and articles that had info you were looking for.

Edit: spelling and grammar.

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