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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

In some societies genital mutilation is accepted, I dont think you will agree that means it is moral and ok if they practice it. Saying society defines morals also means if you lived when slavery was accepted you would have to say abolitionists were wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They think it's moral, which is the point. Morality is fluid, not objective. Do I think genital mutilation or slavery are moral? Absolutely not, I think they violate basic standards of human rights. But those standards are, themselves, human inventions and not objective truths.

Almost no one thinks they're the bad guy in the story.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I haven't missed the point, what I've given are stock responses to moral relativism. I got them from ethicist Russ Shafer-Landau's books "The Fundamentals of Ethics" and "Whatever Happened to Good and Evil." If my comment doesn't make sense do read it, the chapters on relativism are short.

I will try to repeat. If morals are made true by the perspectives of societies, you are absolutely wrong in saying genital mutilation is wrong for them. It is only wrong for you, because your society says so. You must admit they are correct in saying it is something moral. A ridiculous conclusion.

I'd like to hear why you think there aren't objective moral facts. I'm an atheist myself and try to defend it is possible to use reason to figure out what is moral.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Um, yes? Except if i knew better. Morals are bordered by your horizon.