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if in some bizzare, hypothetical fantasy world, isis somehow invaded israel and stopped the ongoing genocide there and delivered a perfect two state solution overnight, would you be morally against specifically that action because it was isis who did it?
to be clear, i'm not asking whether you'd be against isis as a whole: just whether you'd be against isis ending the current israel-palestine situation peacefully
If they did that I'd be grateful to them. And if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.
Wagon dat azzz
so you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?
Yes? Is that supposed to be a gotcha?
it was a response to this, which in the context of the original post, has a sentiment that directly contradicts what you just agreed with
Acknowledging that a terrible organization has done something good doesn't mean I support them.
the meme never mentions supporting houthis, it says praising them
acknowledging somebody has done something good is praising them
hence "If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis..." is a bad response
This is you “so what if hypothetically Putin solves world hunger, homelessness, and redistributed all wealth so everyone was on equal playing field. Oh, oh. And he disarmed all their nukes and led the disarmament of all nuclear armed nations? Oh AND He helped solved climate change? Then would think he’s a good guy?” Like those hypotheticals are bonkers and useless.
it's called a thought experiment
do i think anybody is realistically going to kidnap me and plumb my kidneys into a world famous violinist? no. but i can still use that hypothetical to make a point. do i think anybody is likely to run into a barn at 0.9c while holding a long ladder? no, but i can still use that to learn something.
based on your response, i presume you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?
Yeah but being bad and doing a good thing from time to time doesn’t make you good. Your thought experiment doesn’t provide any value because no one is saying everything the bad groups do is always and forever bad. It’s more like the severity of badness outweighs any good they are doing when it comes to the perception of them.
I’m sure Hitler gave his friends very nice and thoughtful presents. At the same time he was ordering a genocide. Are those presents then bad? Not on the surface. Is he redeemable because of that? No.
Idek the historical context or anything that's going on in this situation right now, but your inability to see nuance and your insistent strawman is telling and exhausting.
False
Go on, then, which part was false? Explain it slowly.
sure, and i'm not saying that the hypothetical would make isis good
i'm saying that it would make fantasy isis worthy of praise for this specific hypothetical achievement
I remember when Al-Qaeda was condemning ISIS and the entire world was like confused agreement