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cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/post/590118

During a video address directed at the people of Lebanon, Netanyahu said: "You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Can someone explain to me how this is going to help get the hostages back? I was told this was about hostages.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (4 children)

No, this war is about Total Victory, whatever that is.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago

Like some kind of Final Solution.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

Probably something like Total War.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Total Victory against Me being Deposed and Thrown In Jail for my War Crimes

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

Netanyahu and his cronies don't care about the hostages. They care about retaining their power. He knows he's done for once this war ends. He's hated both by the world and his own citizens.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's mostly about preventing future hostages now

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I don’t know how you think these things work but bombing half the Levant isn’t going to make Israel any safer. It just means Hamas and Hezbollah (or whatever group replaces them) will be even more extreme and capable of recruiting militants. You can’t bomb your way to peace.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Let me fuck my way to virginity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

It isn't that they haven't learned. It's that they don't care. They want to kill. They are what would happen if serial killers and mass murderers become world leaders.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Lots of countries that bombed/killed their way to peace would disagree

Allowing them to rebuild their forces to get a mere 100 hostages back will just lead to more death in the future

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Israel isn’t fighting a country. It’s, at least ostensibly, fighting terrorism and every civilian killed radicalizes someone. Israel will be less secure in the future because of how Netanyahu has conducted the war in Gaza, not to mention how he’s given settlers — who are terrorists themselves — free rein to steal land and attack West Bank Palestinians. (I say “ostensibly” because Gaza looks a lot more like a genocide than any sort of limited mission to crush Hamas and rescue hostages.)

Unfortunately, I don’t see Netanyahu’s strategy making Israel more secure in the long term.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

The irony is that the hostages are safer with hamas. The Israelis are confirmed to have killed hundreds of their own citizens as part of rhe Hannibal doctrine on Oct 7th and have killed hostages in bombing raids.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The last time "bombing to peace" worked was in WW2, when the US killed 200.000 Japanese civillians with two nukes. The threat was clear. Surrender or face total annihilation.

There is a term for that. It is called genocide. But in the case of Israel they would first need to genocide all of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq and Jordan. So some 50-60 Million people. Then all the other Muslims will feel threatened and fight back, like the West and UDSSR did against Nazis Germany. So in the second round, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Yemen and Oman will have to be genocided to achieve "peace". That is some 200 million people. But then the rest of the world, except for Israels enablers in the US, Germany, UK and other few allies will feel threatened. So then the genocide needs to kill some 7 billion people.

That is the logic of the escalator "seeking peace" through killing everyone opposing him. When the US fought Japan, it was also liberating the countries around it. When Israel is fighting everyone around it, it is always clear that it will step it up to attack the next country and the next after that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

The nuclear bombing of Japan didn't need to happen. They were already willing to surrender even before that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

If you don't know of any conflict being ended with violence after WW2, you might want to sign up to some history podcast or something

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

You can't bomb ideas.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (32 children)

Let me explain how we can prove you're 100% full of bullshit.

If this had anything to do with security, bibi would resign, hand over reins to someone who didn't fuck up and let the hostages be taken in the first place, and Israel could come up with plans slightly more nuanced and thought through than 'Wauuugghh!!!'

He's desperate to keep power because hes Bibi, he'd use Iran getting nukes under his watch as an excuse for why he had to keep power, every failure from incompetence is just another argument for why he can't possibly be replaced.

You have a dictator, and it would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The only hostage ~~that in Yahoo~~ netanyahu is trying to prevent, is him in some kind of jail cell.