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Infinite growth meets finite world.
While I'm still libertarian, those are supposed to be the people capable of using resources efficiently to maintain their market position, right? And the existing legislation's effect on that mechanism is supposed to be negligible, right?
So those supposedly sane at directing resources people are basically burning as much energy as they can get for lossy compression of datasets in random ways trying to reach a gold vein.
I think something went off track here.
"I'm libertarian" followed by an assumption like businesses are "supposed to" do anything except make money and bump their stock prices by any means necessary. Yep, checks out.
Businesses are horribly inefficient due to their short term thinking. Efficiency is a marshmallow test. Doing things right in hopes of making $150 tomorrow will always be tossed out in favout of a garunteed $100 right now, doing it fast and dirty. The idea that businesses are naturally incentivized to do x because of market forces is bullshit if x is anything other than whatever makes the most money right now.
They send our natural resources to the other side of the world so slaves can turn them into goods that they ship right back to us. Efficiency is an expense that businesses are often incentivized to avoid when doing it wrong is cheaper.
If you want businesses to do anything but chase short term profits as ruthlessly as they can get away with, you need regulations.
Nailed it
Water is supposed to flow down. If there's wood under that water, it's supposed to rot.
I've become libertarian due to a lot of experience with people.
It's the hated ideology exactly because it doesn't give an outlet to someone's wish of finding the golden pill and\or being above the nature. Well, there is no satisfaction for such wishes IRL, libertarians are just honest.
All that text is clueless accusations mixed with implications that you have some better idea. You don't, look around.
No, it's a hated ideology because it doesn't work, and all it does is show your lack of understanding of how the world and human behavior work
Letting private businesses run unchecked is always going to be a bad idea. Full stop.
This is wrong, but I'm not going to waste my time on you.
That's just because you don't have an argument to refute what I said.
The reason regulations exist is because of how horrible things were when they didn't exist.
Edit: See. When pressed for an actual response they dipped out. All you have to do is look at the history of the US post industrial revolution to know that libertarianism is by far worse than our current system, and that's saying a lot.
Fool blocked.
It’s been proven to be right over and over and over again for literally centuries, across the entire world, to the point that you could set your watch to its inevitability. Any attempt you could possibly make the prove the contrary would be a waste of time for any person living down here on earth.
Fool blocked.
If you block everyone with common sense, you’re going to run out of people to talk to.
That's the sad thing - they won't; there's idiots everywhere.
No one has ever dealt with people before, it's certainly not something everyone does every day, you are the only one. You clearly have an advantage over every one else. And businesses work exactly like wet wood, it's a flawless analogy.
I wasted so much time speaking with politicians, learning about economics, sociology, law, civics, and history, and all I needed to do was have experiences with people and I'd be a political genius too. I mean here I am, almost 40 years old, having spent my entire working career and off time dealing with people, but that doesn't count. None of it counts but yours.
When I look around now vs years ago and see how deregulation is the cause of for almost all of our modern woes, I am left to agree with you, the solution must be even more delegation. Unmitigated greed by earth's most ruthless people has always heralded a golden age of universal prosperity. Just look at the industrial revolution and the 20s. Children working and dying in factories and mines again is a sign of good things, but society can only succeed if we can sell these kids hard, addictive drugs without legal interference.
Edit: Libertarians aren't hated, they are laughed at. Its the ultimate indicator your political opinions are nonsense, just like your comments in defense of it have demonstrated. It's entirely based on what you think should happen, not was does happen. The advantage of living among people is the strength and prosperity that comes from cooperation and pooled resources. But that's not the opinion the rich people who would enslave you paid good money for you to have.
Inb4 "fool blocked" as a response to your cognitive dissonance.
Not a single paragraph without attempts at cheating, so of course another fool blocked.
What?! Ha ha, what is cheating in an online comment? Things aren't "supposed to"ing like you want so its cheating? Cheating means breaking rules. Are saying adhering to some kind of rules or regulations would make our conversations more productive?
Man, sure would be nice to have an organization to punish this cheating huh?
So you've met people, and think they're smart and educated enough to do the right thing all by themselves?
This seems odd to me
They are definitely closer to that for doing the right thing all by themselves that for deciding what others will do.
At first, I couldn't figure out how you attributed such intelligence to the average person. Then I realized that it simply means that you think the average person is very smart on every topic.
You talking to yourself. Fool blocked, again
When it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your own shoe.
Libertarians are just honest.....mother fucker, this you?
No, I don't know your mom. Don't remember her for sure. Another fool blocked
Unfortunately corporate greed completely breaks the possibility of a libertarian society to me.
Corporations in the wide sense are the central enemy of libertarianism. Libertarianism is based on individual decisions and individual responsibility, which can't be delegated. I can imagine you don't really want those, but this is less compatible with corporations than any other ideology.
Greed is a basic incentive. Even (spherical example in vacuum) if you manage to somehow lobotomize every baby so that there wouldn't be people able to feel greed, you'll get those on whom it won't work and you'll get those who'll reach the same result analytically based on other incentives.
Corporations only exist to limit personal liability. If you remove the regulations that hold people liable, corporations won't need to exist because the days of the barons and tycoons will return.
This would mean no practical difference between the two for a person able to reason.