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Ian Brossat, a former Paris councillor and now a senator representing the French Communist party, called for SUVs to be banned in Paris. “This is not the first incident of its kind, and the dangerous nature of SUVs has already been pointed out on several occasions. We owe it to this young man to realise the scale of the problem and draw all the consequences,” Brossat told the Nouvel Obs.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 73 points 6 months ago (2 children)

SUVs are a plague. They should never have existed, much less be sold in Europe.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This seems completely unrelated to the story at hand... an SUV isn't any better at running down a cyclist than a truck is.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Truck drivers are professionals, which doesn’t make them perfect but at least trained in driving large vehicles. SUVs are oversized hormonal toys for insecure, wealthy people who hate rules and other people. They’re even specifically marketed towards that group, just like the modern F150s and RAMs you see now on our narrow roads.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

In theory, yes.

In practice, trucks are possibly the greatest hazard to cyclist, and the don't are ridiculously low. In one case, the driver list good license for a month and had to pay a fine of 4500 euros.

Initially, he called the judgement "too harsh" and that he wants to appeal, which it seems he retracted.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I admire your contortionism.

The article is about a manchild killing someone with an SUV, and about banning SUVs, and you're here all like "look there guys, a pink elephant".

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Trucks literally have better front visibility than most big SUVs

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is that a fact? Take it up with Edwards, M. and Leonard, D. (September 2022). "Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedalcyclist injury severity". Journal of Safety Research.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

...are you trying to argue that trucks aren't large vehicles?

[–] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Why not banning both.

[–] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There are some rural places, such as northern Canada where am SUV is practical. With the amount of snow that falls there, a small car just doesn't work well.

But in Paris, yeah, ban them.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

It's the light truck classification that has driven this trend. Before the SUV you could just get a Bronco, Wagoneer, or such. Moving people around in off-road conditions has always had a niche, but bad rules have reshaped the market to an unhealthy condition.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Regular sized cars seem to work well in Finland and Norway, though.

And Russia has this 4x4 cutie: