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Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine's long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And take their aid along with them?

What if this means Ukraine is no longer able to defend itself?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then they can fuck off across the ocean with their aid. Ukraine isn't the US's puppet.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Alright well, I guess it can be Russia's puppet then.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Uh huh, it would be less a russian puppet than the US negotiating another countries' fate.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

to paraphrase an old Polish quote, (on dealing with Russians) "The Rubble is preferable to Russian Dominion"

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe it's just me, but life in Ukraine didn't look all that different from life in Russia before the invasion.

Both nations are far behind the civilized world when it comes to social issues. Corruption was cited as a major reason for denying Ukraine entrance into NATO.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

the difference beforehand was that prior to the shooting (big shooting at least). One was a flawed democracy that was trying to improve, and trying to do to itself what Poland did to itself after 20-30 years in NATO and EU.

the other was an authoritarian mob state. going from one to the other, was evidently worth fighting to the death over, I am inclined to agree.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it’s just me, but life in Ukraine didn’t look all that different from life in Russia before the invasion.

You mean apart from all the dead Ukrainians and the ethnic cleansing and the kidnapped children and such?

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

before the invasion.

I swear, everytime you reply to me it's in bad faith.

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension and take a class on persuasive writing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I read what you wrote. Unless you meant before the invasion of Crimea, and I don't think you did, I stand by what I said.