(Go stick your head in a pig!)
Come to think of it, "share and enjoy" is exactly the way I would expect an AI-generated YouTube video to end.
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You mean sort of like it wasn't the death of artisan textile production after the industrial revolution? Except it absolutely was and people literally starved while the rich got richer on the new machines. Sounds familiar.
OK, fine. Jobs are getting destroyed because AI is the greatest evil in the universe and the only solution is make memes about it scream thats it's going to kill us all. The kids are all gonna be too dumb to think and AI is going to run everything. No one will be able to live normal, productive lives ever again. The world is ruined!
Or.
AI is bunch of tools that can be used to solve some really weird problems and/ or make life easier and less stressful overall. But also AI is really powerful and can very easily be used in the wrong way and be really dangerous so we as a species need to learn how to use it safely before a bunch of people get seriously hurt. The world is gonna have a few hiccups, but eventually people will figure shit out and move on because AI is never going away and will only ever become an increasingly important part of our lives.
Which of these scenarios actually makes sense? Look at history and think of Occam's razor. Is AI actually evil, or is it just a thing we have created (and literally cant uncreate at this point) and now have to figure how to deal with? Is AI really worth being scared of (remember, its a permanent part of this world now), or is it better to learn how to coexist with AI and find ways to reduce the harm and destruction that it absolutely can cause.
Is it really that black and white to you?
Nothing about this is black and white, that's my whole fucking point.
I'm curious what your actual argument is as I suspect even you don't know what it is beyond "AI Bad", which from my perspective is the only real black-white argument here. I'm perfectly happy admitting that AI can be bad, I have said precisely this many times now. I'm suggesting that avoiding AI because of that 'bad', is a stupid waste of time and doesn't actually help anyone find solutions the to bad stuff. Burying our head in the sand like this only makes us avoid the problem until, oh wait, its a huge fucking problem and now people are actually getting hurt. Lets face the problems head-on, lets figure it all out together, lets learn instead of hiding.
I said it at the very beginning- maybe you should be wary of it. You didn't like such a meek suggestion, which is why I am saying you are seeing things in black-and-white terms.
Also, interesting that you never commented on my link about the environmental impact and yet have decided that I don't know what my argument is beyond "AI bad."
Did you even look at the link? What are your answers to the multiple major environmental problems that it brings up?
Your argument is that I shouldn't use AI because it might negatively impact my career? That's not much of an argument considering that is a personal choice with personal consequences and I've been refuting that claim this entire time, it's literally why we are here. Everything you have said since has effectively boiled down to "AI is bad because people get hurt". Which is completely valid and I have agreed with this point at every single step here. Our conflict arises from having differing opinions about how to deal with the impact of AI as well as the balance between good/ bad that all things, including AI, exist within.
So, again I ask, what exactly is your argument? What is the 'truth' you are trying to convince me of? I believe I have made my 'truth' pretty clear in multiple different comments. Now I want to know yours, perhaps we have more common ground than you think and we don't need to conflict.
Also, I did in fact comment on the environmental impact of AI. I told you I was choosing to ignore that point because I find the way that you brought it into the conversation to be childish and unproductive. It also has nothing to do with the correlation between the use of AI, careers, and the integration process of AI. Environmental impact is an engineering and sustainability problem, not a moral or ethical one. Different problem, different discussion.
Did you even read what I wrote?
Do you need help understanding what "be wary" means?
I see, so you don't want to know what my argument is and why I am making it. Thanks for clearing that up, I guess there's nothing more to discuss, but you could have saved us a whole lot of time and told me that a while ago.
When have I indicated that I am not wary of AI? I'm just not scared of it the way you clearly are. Wary should mean be cautious and learn, not shove your head up your ass and hope it the problem goes away (This is literally my only point, stop reading more into it). I recognize that there are good and bad parts of AI. I also understand that AI is utterly inevitable and avoiding it only means the 'bad' stuff gets to win and we don't get to enjoy any of the 'good' stuff. The only way we get to have any of the "good" stuff is if we learn how to use it first.
I very much DO want to know what your argument is (If not, then why the actual fuck do you think I'm still here?), but you have yet to say anything meaningful to that end. Sure, you say lets be wary of AI (never disagreed here), but it seems to me that you only want to run away or destroy it, and you never really try to back up why that is a valid way forward. If you can link the environmental impact of AI to that argument, then I am genuinely happy to listen. You have something meaningful to say, I know you do, I'm just waiting for you to be clear about what exactly it is.
Well if you know what I clearly am then, again, it’s clear you aren’t actually interested in my argument.
Sorry, I don’t believe your claim that you will be genuinely happy to listen to what I have to say when you declare you know what I think.
I think you have no real argument which is why you are now only attacking my character. If you have a point, I would like to see you reiterate it into as clear of words as possible, exactly what you have been trying to convey. No arguments, no pissing match, no ego, just say what your trying to fucking say. Once we have both done that, then maybe we can have a productive discussion wherein we can both learn something and possibly understand the world a little better.
I'm sorry you feel that I don't want to hear you. All I can say is that I do actually, genuinely want have an open friendly discussion and learn about your perspective here. I have not declared anything with certainty about you that can not be gleaned from this discussion. (Perhaps I have misinterpreted some of your words, but the same can be said of you, so lets restart on that front) You are clearly are at least somewhat scared of something, from where I'm sitting it appears that you are scared of AI. But you fight me when I suggest as much, so now I want to know why your scared or what your real concern is. Again, I'm sorry if this sentiment has felt false, I really do want to have a discussion, not a fight.
I wonder why that is?
Oh yeah.
For some reason I still don't believe you.
Um, kinda yeah actually?
Then you are a lost cause, my friend. I have tried my best to be open, it's disappointing that you are not and have proven yourself unwilling to learn. I hope you find some way to adapt before AI is a part of functionally everything and only those that figured out how to safely use it have any chance at a job.
If you actually wanted to have a discussion with me, you would have asked if I was "clearly" "somewhat scared" of "something" rather than just declare that I am. You also would not have dismissed one of my points because it was "childishly brought up" or whatever you said as if it wasn't part of my argument.
You don't want to know what I think because you've decided you already know.
Also, I am not friends with people who tell me what I think. My friends ask me what I think. People I highly dislike are the ones who think they know me, especially strangers on the internet who think they know me. So we are not friends and I don't care to be called that by you.
Dude, you are the only one creating the narrative that I don't want to know what you have to say. I have directly said otherwise repeatedly, I'm like a broken fucking record with you. You are the one that refuses to listen here, not me. I say that you are clearly scared because that is the only logical conclusion I could draw about you from this interaction at that time. I then pretty much immediately followed that statement up by saying it only seems that this is true. I have never definitively determined anything about you (though now I might call you a fucking idiot, but that isn't very productive, so lets move on), and the only time I kinda did, I literally handed you an opening to refute me on silver fucking platter. You chose to ignore me until it suited you.
As for why I have ignored the environmental impact point, I have told you twice now but it seems you only read the parts that make you feel high and mighty. So I'll waste time saying it again, you brought up a point that was, from my perspective, completely tangential to the original argument. You then proceeded to assume what my position on the matter was like it would somehow hand you the win to a fight only you thought we had. I found this to be immature and counterproductive (And also exactly what your currently trying to accuse me of, might wanna check yo self on this one, buddy. Street goes both ways.), and I said as much, while in the exact same sentence, offering you a chance to link the point to your argument in a meaningful way. Again, you chose to ignore me until it suited you, not the other way around.
I don't know anything about you, I have never pretended to know you, and never I will never pretend to know you. All I'm trying to do is ask, if you want me to know something, you need only answer me. This is on you if you won't read my words for what they are and want to perpetuate this dumb idea that I don't want to talk to you. All I want to do is have an interesting conversation, but so far you are too thick-headed to participate. Have a good day, friend, and I hope you learn to grow as a person someday.
And yet you could have asked instead. You have never bothered asking. You just assume. Which is why I am not going to tell you my argument yet again, especially since you continue to say you will ignore part of it.
Apart from pretending to know I'm scared. Somehow you know that about me. Weird.
Oh no, I'm sure you wanted to talk to me. I'm sure you had all kinds of other assumptions about me to declare if I played your little game.
I have tried. There is only one assumption left to make about you. We have gone way off topic and I'm done wasting time letting you talk us in circles. You have made up your own mind of who you want to be, enjoy your sad little world, friend . . .
There you go, making assumptions again. People who want to know what other people think ask questions, they don't assume they know. I'm sorry you haven't learned that.
Also, passive-aggressively calling me friend again is pretty childish, so it's amusing that you chided me for childishly bringing something up.
Also childish: doing a stomping away goodbye, coming back, then stomping away again.
OK, buddy (friend, lol)
Interesting. Lying about leaving and lying about calling me a friend. I wonder what else you've lied about?
Who ever said anything about leaving? I'm starting to find the weird little logic loop you've stuck yourself in to be rather amusing. Not sure what you're blabbering on about now, though, friend
That would be you:
Which is quite the interesting thing to say from someone being passive-aggressive and telling lies.
Keep going, you got this, friend. With enough bullshit you might say something that makes sense . . . someday. I believe in you
I literally quoted you. Amazing.
We both know that is not the bullshit of which I speak
Oh look, lying about what I think again!
Was is it you think I'm lying about again? I haven't really said anything for a while now
Which time? The most recent time when you declared, "We both know that is not the bullshit of which I speak?"
Because that would be one of them.
I can go back and list the others, but you already refused to acknowledge that you said you were leaving and didn't leave and pretended you never did, so I doubt it would be worth it.
Ooh, please do make a complete list. I want you to go back and read this conversation, you might actually learn something if you think critically about it
Is insulting strangers on the internet how one grows as a person? Since you hope I learn how, I thought I'd ask.
I've done my best not to be insulting, but at this point you bring it on yourself. This whole thing would have been easily avoided if you had only taken my words at face value as they were always meant to be and just answered my question instead of spinning this tale that I somehow hate you. I do not hate you, friend, and I never have.
So if you insult someone because "they bring it on themselves," it is how you grow as a person?
You have lied over and over, so I have no reason to believe this. Especially since you keep doing the passive-aggressive "friend" thing. It is very clear that you have a great loathing of me.
But hey, you want to prove you're my friend and don't hate me? Don't respond to this. But you're going to respond.
I'm getting an awful lot of assumptions from someone that preaches not assuming things about others so much, lol. You can call me a liar all day long, doesn't make it true, and your opinion of me has long since lost any value. Genuinely not sure what your trying to accomplish here.
So, of course I'm going to respond, I find it rather hilarious that you continue to be so easily rankled the whole 'friend' thing, friend. Doesn't mean I hate you though, pity might be a more apt description. Besides, you've so far provided no evidence that you would listen if I tried to prove otherwise, you'll always either move the goal post or find some new injustice to latch onto. It's sad really, but you can end the conversation at any time.
Thank you for proving my point that you hate me and lied about it.
Yeah, of course, no problem friend. Couldn't just leave your delusions hanging
I'm glad we both agree that you lied about not hating me. What a silly thing to lie about. And yet still lying about the friend part too.
I know you think it annoys me when you call me friend. It does not. It makes me feel like there might be one single person on this entire planet slightly more pathetic than me. Probably not, but it gives me hope that I have slightly less of a reason to also hate me.
Lol, you do realize I was being sarcastic af, right? It's legitimately hard to tell sometimes if you actually read anything, or just make stuff up all on your own.
Nah, your annoyed, friend. You let that slip out of the bag long ago, buts it's certainly no reason to go about hating yourself.
Ah. Again assuming you can read my mind.
And in sarcasm lies truth.
You have no insight into my self-loathing either, believe it or not.
You think you’re the world’s expert on me and you don’t even know my gender.
Don't really need to assume anything on this front, you make it pretty fucking obvious the only thing I need to know about you. You invent your own world and try to warp everyone else to fit it. Im sure it must be frustrating to be challenged like this, but I can assure you that you hardly matter enough to make me hate you over any of this. You do make it quite entertaining, though . . .
You literally just assumed I'm annoyed because it's "pretty fucking obvious." 🙄
False assumption.
False assumption.
Lie.
Likewise.
Then prove otherwise and stop acting like a dumbass. Go back and answer my original question about your AI argument without the ego-trip and stop deciding you know the truth of my words or intentions. Only I can know my motivations, just like only you can know yours. We never needed to go down this path of fighting each other like toddlers over a cookie jar. We could've had a normal, healthy discussion about AI had you only decided to take my words at face value or accepted that I only ever wanted to talk. Whether I was/ am being honest about my intentions is completely irrelevant, this is the internet and you can say whatever you choose, even if someone is lying when they ask. Yet you persist with these unproductive accusations and now here we are
Sure. For the I don't know how manyth time, my argument was: "be wary of AI." And when I gave one of the reasons, because of the environmental mess it is causing, you dismissed it.
You haven't accepted that was my argument multiple times already, let's see if you do this time. I doubt it.
As I said before, "be wary of AI" isn't much of argument as it's not something we ever disagreed upon. I have never once said anything to the effect of; "AI is harmless and perfect and we should all use it willy-nilly without a care in the world". In fact I've been trying to say the precise opposite this whole fucking time. If your only point was to be cautious of AI, then why the actual fuck are we fighting?
Where I think we actually disagreed was in how to deal with AI and what 'wary' actually mean in this case. From everything I'd seen you appeared to support the burry your head in the sand and hope AI disappears approach, while I argued that we should all spend some time getting to understand the nuances of AI so that we can more easily recognize when its being misused. When I questioned you having an argument, I was openly inviting you to expand on your point and tell me what "being wary" meant to you and why that was important. I was attacking your argument as it seemed weak and I simply wanted to know more, I was not attacking you or your character (I apologize if it seemed otherwise).
As for the environmental thing, I have, on multiple occasions, said exactly why I dismissed it and also explicitly invited you to bring it back into your argument as long as you did it without presuming to know what my take is before we even started discussing anything:
However, since you so clearly want to talk about the environmental impact of AI, lets hear that part of your argument and then I will tell you where I stand on the issue.
Because you can't accept that was all I was saying.
If that's all your saying then why start the argument in the first place? It's been pretty clear from the beginning that I agree with being wary of AI. Either you have something else to say (which is all I keep asking for), or you don't actually have anything to say at all (which is what I suspect but can't know for sure, aka. why I fucking asked)
I didn't start an argument. That would have been you. I just made a comment in response to yours, which was: "Maybe you should considering your career could be at stake." That was literally all I said. That isn't an argument.