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In response to Joe Biden and the White House enabling ActivityPub federation via Threads, a number of people asked: "Why didn't the White House just self-host their own Mastodon server?"

Here's some very basic musings on what it would take for that to happen. and what some of the hurdles are. Don't consider it a definitive answer, but a jumping-off point.

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[โ€“] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Jedi@bolha.forum 24 points 1 year ago

Other governments:

[โ€“] Boozilla@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Would be entertaining to watch it unfold. I'm sure team 45 would try to horn in if it happened. Might bring a massive influx of users. Mixed feelings. But a good writeup.

[โ€“] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Truth Social is already literally a Mastodon instance. They just don't federate with anything else.

Trump could open up federation, but that would ruin their safe space, I mean echo chamber.

[โ€“] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They would also be instantly defederated by like 90% of the fediverse

[โ€“] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And 9% of the rest would just be griefing them

[โ€“] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Gab is in kind of the same place, with the same conclusion.

"Oh no, keeping a walled garden actually increases the value of my echo chamber! Better not open anything up to dissenting views!"

[โ€“] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The server does not have to be open for registration.

[โ€“] Boozilla@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but I'm thinking they'd make some noise on their own, and/or infiltrate other instances en masse (potentially).

[โ€“] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah, I didn't realize what you meant by Team 45.

[โ€“] jg1i@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was wondering the same thing. It seems more proper to run a separate government Mastodon server. Otherwise, they're showing preferential treatment to one company.

Although... they probably can't handle self hosting? But really? The all mighty US can't self host a server?

[โ€“] Neato@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd just pay a contractor to stand up a server on azure or AWS. Most of the labor would be moderation which is probably why they won't do it.

They couldn't remove anything without Republicans crying censorship. And because it's government run, first amendment protections apply. Which means they couldn't remove a lot of what moderators already do.

[โ€“] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

remove anything

Uh, a US Government mastodon server wouldn't have any way to sign up and comment. I assume it would be all one way announcements.

Who cares about randos who want to talk to the president? People were posting dead bodies on Biden's announcements on Threads.

If you don't think some Lemmy instances are being run from Fort Meade and Quantico, you're not paranoid enough.

[โ€“] andrewth09@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

5 years ago the courts ruled that Trump could not block Twitter users on first amendment grounds. This same ruling could be used as a foundation to force a future government Fediverse server to federate with any other server and host all their unmoderated comments.

With Twitter, a user could still break the TOS and get banned. With a Fediverse server... Not so much. It's as free as sending an email to the US government filled with nothing but 2mb of racial profanities.

I don't think the First Amendment would ever require the government to host private speech. The rule is basically that if you host private speech, you can't discriminate by viewpoint (and you're limited in your ability to discriminate by content). Even so, you can always regulate time, place, and manner in a content-neutral way.

The easiest way to do it is to simply do one of the suggestions of the linked article, and only permit government users and government servers to federate inbound, so that the government hosted servers never have to host anything private, while still fulfilling the general purpose of publishing public government communications, for everyone else to host and republish on their own servers if they so choose.

[โ€“] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I don't have a complete answer here. I think that Terms of Service requiring standards of behavior are quite reasonable - people in Congress, for example, are required to conduct themselves to a certain standard or be ejected. Same goes for courtrooms.

There may be a "minimum threshold" for content or communities that are blocked, on the basis of materials provided (hate speech, harassment campaigns, doxxing, CSAM), but I'll readily admit that this is conjecture.

[โ€“] capital@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

a number of people asked...

The same number of people forget just how well the government does tech.