Political Memes

Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.

Joe Biden is "only" Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.

Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.

No, it doesn't matter that he's an active participant in the apparatus that's creating the genocide, because if he's in office there's less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstain from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the amount of genocide.

The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it's not a bad idea.

TLDR: if you encourage people to not vote for Biden, that's supporting genocide. Accelerationism never works for us.

If you spend time with real boots-on-the-ground activism to support and prop up legitimate leftist candidates, policies, and parties in advance of election years, then yeah fine I'll accept your righteous abstaining from voting the general election.

But if your "protest" begins and ends with choosing to not vote the lesser of two evils while you're not doing anything to actually upend the system, fuck you. Your ideological purity is causing real world harm while you pout and expect some other magical force to swoop in and save you.

Nobody is coming to save you.

Nobody.

Either put in the fucking work and put in the real effort to change things, or fall in line. As is, you're just in everyone's way.

Ultimately the problem is Biden choices on Palestine are reprehensible. He doesn't "deserve" to be president again on that alone. If he was running against someone like mitt Romney , he would be in deep shit, and this discussion would be a total nebulous cloud. (Edit I'm not pro mitt, I'm saying Biden only has a chance because trump is insane.)

Unfortunately, no new candidates are available for this upcoming election.

Trump has made clear his behavior on topics like Palestine, and there are strong inferences to be made.on his potential actions on Ukraine. This is corroborated by government leaders and experts who are already defensively preparing for trump to come fuck their shit up. So that's foreign policy.

Domestically, Biden is not as egregious a troublemaker. There are SERIOUS issues happening today in America, for which a Biden whitehouse should be doing more. But I think we can agree that trump has both demonstrated in the past, and spoken clearly in the future about the ways he would shift domestic issues for the worse.

So how one votes in the primary is fine, but come the general election, I have not been convinced how abstaining or voting for trump is an appropriate action.

Trump is either as bad, or worse on every topic of significance, and I personally believe America will be drastically worse off with him as president...both domestically and abroad.

Lastly, depending on where you live, abstaining from voting in the general can be very impactful, and may even assist a trump election. It is deeply unsatisfying voting for someone you dislike, with the sole purpose of avoiding someone you hate, but it must be acknowledged.

You’re not going to convince anyone to participate in your game by insulting them. Unfortunately as the party who wants someone else to change their behavior, you have to be the bigger person. If you actually care, ya know.

There was an entertaining little exchange here.

Someone misunderstood math and claimed that more people voted "uncommitted" than had voted for Biden in "last year's" election.

Someone else explained the misunderstanding, and the real explanation (that the "uncommitted" number was higher than Biden's margin over Trump, not Biden's total).

The mod of the liberty place replied "This is a false statement and reeks of debatebro. Please remove this from your comment."

I'll let the rest speak for itself; exactly what you think happened happened.

I live in a swing state and I’m voting third party. It’s not great, but it’s the only thing I can bring myself to do. Between Gaza and Bidens commitment to pour billions of dollars into more cops and more surveillance, I just can’t do it.

If he stepped down or they put someone else up I’d probably be happily voting dem, but they didn’t. It’s a shame. They said themselves that they’re fine to lose some progressive votes if they scoop up 3 or 4 Nikki Haley voters for every progressive lost. I guess I’m one of those. I dunno. I wish it was a better circumstance.

What do you believe is the underlying set of values and principles guiding Hexbear?

What do you believe the goals of people on Hexbear are?

Is it possible to analyze the beliefs that lead them to the conclusions they have, so as to better argue against them, than to call them MAGA supporters?

I myself will probably be voting Biden, for transparency, but this meme is just a gross misunderstanding of how disaffected leftists, and Marxists in general, operate, and why.

Lmao, I had a chat with a couple of these folks. Keep taunting them and burying them when they step out of their echo chambers. The whole "both sides" and "I'm gonna piss away my vote on a 3rd party in 2 party system" schtick couldn't be any more hollow than it is this year.

Biden sucks. Trump is a blight on this earth. Like it or not, you get those two choices, and the literal fuckin Nazis and the scum that break bread with them are really motivated to get their dictator "for a day" back in.

The sudden “don’t vote biden” push has always felt like astroturf to me. “Divide the opposition” is literally politics 101, but I guess some people really think doing nothing is going to somehow do something.

Oh, and voting third party counts as not voting. You know that, you’re not fucking stupid.

Weird, I had this made already for some reason...

"B-but he was against student loan forgiveness in the 90's! DONTLOOKATHISRECENTACTIONS"