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[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm, this didn't age well, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

And they'll still support the invasion. Biden got played for a fool, and it wasn't hard to see this would be the outcome.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Biden has gotten played for a fool for months. If you have no red lines and the party you're negotiating realizes that, they've got you by the balls and they're going to do whatever the hell they want until the day of final judgement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Israel is going to invade Rafah either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Biden got played for a fool

Why are y’all acting like the President of the United States is a fool, and that he couldn’t stop this if he wanted to?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I knew the israeli butchers were going to go into Rafah no matter what, but it makes me extra sick that they're dressing it up by pretending it's balanced out by not attacking Iran (after attacking their embassy in the first place).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think the Israelis consider them to be separate matters.

Avoiding the hot war with Iran in exchange for something Israel was going to do anyway, was the US's position. I guess we will see how many lives it would have saved since Israel is bombing right again right now.

I say hundreds of thousands.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A senior official told The New Arab that "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu managed to obtain American approval for a military operation in Rafah, in exchange for [Israel] refraining from carrying out a wide military operation against Iran in response to its recent attack."

This is insane, goes to show how much power the US has over Israeli military operations. US approval for genocide, what a strong finger wag.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm not normally a "strong leader" guy, but Biden admin is looking mighty weak right now. Crazy how we are basically being told "capitulation to dictatorships is the adult option actually. Fucking babies"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You need strong leaders to prevent strong man types. They're two different things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't see it that way. We're not in charge of Israel. They are in charge of their own shit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Israel's continued existanse is linked mainly to American backing. They are by most definitions a vassal state. We could easily exert control over thir actions by withholding financial and military aid, but the government simply refuses to hold them to the same standards as most other countries.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It looks to me like America are the vassals

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Seeing what's going on now, I don't blame you

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Can't wait for the Biden apologists to give their hot takes on this one.

Israel doesn't exist without American military support, period.

Redeploy the carrier groups, and Israel's entire strategy goes up in smoke, as they are reliant on Aegis to protect their airspace.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If the US doesn't help them, and they suffer a larger attack because of it, we then find out if they truly have nuclear weapons, which also isn't a good outcome.

This is all lose lose lose.

Everyone just needs to fucking stop.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No one was interested in an escalation except Israel. Iran has repeatedly shown that they want to keep it at fighting through proxies. Syria is in shambles and Lebanon is struggling too. Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are all bought by the US.

Israel will stay at war, because that is what is keeping Bibi in power and now they have the opportunity for mass murder and land grabs like they haven't had in a long time.

The US could end all of this and if the US wasn't a genocidal colonial force on both parts of the political isle, it would do so.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Uhhhh, in this fantasy, why is Iran paying proxies to kill Jews?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not about religion. Don't fall for this narrative.

Iran has its Jewish community which has political representatives.

At the end of the discussion Khomeini declared, "We recognize our Jews as separate from those godless, bloodsucking Zionists"[62] and issued a fatwa decreeing that the Jews were to be protected.

Wiki article

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Not Biden:

Republican senator Tom Cotton said Americans should “take matters into their own hands” when dealing with pro-Palestinian protesters, encouraging vigilantism.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if this is what Netanyahu had planned from the beginning?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

I don't think he needed to plan it. This is just convenient. He knew one way or another he would get his way. Hell he'd do it without Biden's approval if needed, wouldn't be the first time they gave the US the middle finger. They know going directly against Israel is political suicide in the US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No one has stopped him before now, he had no reason to need to plan anything because he continues to get what he wants from America regardless.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

This gives him cover.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But I keep getting told Biden can't do anything to stop the genocide, then he goes and continues to fucking okay it

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You have to understand he’s only the PotUS; A completely powerless figurehead position.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

Hey US: how's that working out for you?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dear strongest country in the world: what happen? You look super weak to fold under the demand of a country that's smaller than Hawaii.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Always has been a Potemkin city. Hence the constant loud mouthing.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Well, they apparently just struck Iran (and apparently also Iraq/Syria) so maybe the Rafah invasion is off. Probably not but it’d be nice if this deal is real and they just got what Bibi picked wrong.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Israel: strikes Iran anyways be cause Genocide Joe will support anything Netanyahi does.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Orrrrr

Biden could finally read the reports on credible accusations of human rights abuses and tell Netanyahu he's cut off.

Seems like a better path than letting himself get played so publicly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Biden is the dude that fist-bumped that Saudi ruler who ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi on foreign soil. Same Saudi ruler who gave Jared Kushner $2 billion to invest thanks to his time serving in his father-in-laws administration. Same Kushner who joked the Palestinian land would have some great beach front property for development (post genocide).

What a wonderful world we live in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Change the shipping label on all those weapon crates from Tel Aviv to Kyiv and tell Bibi he doesn’t get any more toys until he learns how to play nice with others. It’s disturbing how spineless our government is when it comes to religious lobbies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"yeah yeah sure you can do a little more genocide as treat if you don't start another war"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Like everyone here on lemmy predicted this as far back as the embassy strike

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

If true, wtf. You'd think the genocide joe moniker was something to be careful of. Or I guess he can just embrace it and bend the knee to a country that's a small percentage of the US' size, gdp, and political influence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

This strikes me as an attempt to increase complacency for a Rafah attack by presenting it as done deal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The US intercepted just about all the missiles. Israel owes the US for that, they shouldn't get to make demands.

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