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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

i was around during the first lvl 200, fully support the player's decision. ppl asking "why play then?" have never been in an abusive relationship. it's a great game tbh, just filled with mtx & grinding to the brim. ima check out his latest vids @tniru to see his side of the story

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

check out his latest vids @tniru to see his side of the story

Here's his youtube channel, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU0jd4xbundnzQcTlBbzETg.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Exactly. It is a really great game and the grinding can be very fun with the character skill explosions wiping out entire screens worth of mobs.

When the game released, the only micro transactions were clothing for your character and a pet that could pick up items automatically. Its really sad they didn't just keep it that way.

A few months ago they got in deep shit because the gacha part apparently sometimes didn't contain the low chance stuff at all. So you could pay a million dollars and you would never get it.

Another amazing game ruined by greed 💔

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Extaliams players, reply here ⬇️

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I played maple story in like 2007 and it was garbage then. My excuse at the time was I was broke, and there weren't many good free games out. Path of Exile wasn't until 2013. Same with Warframe. Huh I never realized those came out the same year.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn’t realize 2007 was after the pinnacle of F2P gaming

Between demos that could be full games, flash games, open source, and Byond f2p used to be so huge

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That was a wild read. Just quit playing the game dude lol it's not that complicated

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Just leave your husband lol it's not that complicated."

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's a fuckin game not a marriage

I also understand some people struggle with video game addiction as well but comparing it to being in an abusive relationship is just psychotic

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

🤦🏽‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Jon Snow...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't you think that whole thing is simply a publicity stunt? Because it kinda looks like it and it seems to work...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Seriously. Why do gamers spend thousands of hours on games they hate. Life's full of shit to do. Go play something else. Or, God forbid, touch some grass. Why waste the little time you have on earth doing something you don't like.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do gamers spend thousands of hours on games they hate.

It's because that "hate" comes from a place of love, and isn't really hate at all. From the outside, it can be hard to understand, but the people who hate certain games the most are usually the biggest fans. They hate seeing squandered potential when something they love gets ruined by updates.

They don't hate the game, itself. They love the game, and they love what it could be under different circumstances. They love the memories they've had with the game, the connections they've made, the experiences they've shared. The "hate" they seem to have isn't really hate at all; it's passion. They love the game and want to see it in a better state. That's why they're so hyper critical, because they care the most.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yup exactly. They see wasted potential, and that pisses them off. Because there’s something they truly want to enjoy, so watching the devs make seemingly dumb decisions can be incredibly frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which is basically the same situation as being in an abusive relationship.

And all the people who keep coming back, knowing it will never actually improve, are ultimately deluding themselves in some kind of way, and are too addicted to want to stop, or too immature or stupid to realize that dedicating a ton of time and energy to something that on net lets you down or harms you is not a healthy way to live.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

For this guy, it's because it's his job as a streamer

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You realize that he's a streamer and that playing games is his job, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Sunk cost fallacy. The more you pay the more painful it is to quit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just quit your job dude lol it's not that complicated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We do not live in the same reality lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Try telling that to a Warthunder player, or League of Legends, or anything like that.

They know the games are ruining their lives but uh sunken cost fallacy.

Its always amazed me that people can become addicted to an actual negative experience that has many negative side effects... but half (more?) The games industry is built on that these days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

most addictions are negative like this

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They're addicted to the high of winning, which happens at random intervals. That's the core of gambling addiction and MOBA addiction. They will win again... eventually. So they keep playing even though losing sucks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Over here [in Heroic] it's free-to-play friendly, by a considerable margin," niru begins, talking over a graphic showing the player distribution between the world types, with Heroic leading in global MapleStory by some margin. "Pay-to-win is accepted here [in Interactive World], but the free-to-play experience is awful and that's what needs to be improved right now."

(Edit: it's not made clear in that quote so I'll just mention it here, they play in an Interactive world)

I get addiction is real and it's not easy to quit for some people. What I don't get is that the game apparently has a different world type that is just better and he's actively choosing not to play it instead. That's like picking to play P2W poker where you can buy better hands and then complaining that it's not fun when you could just go play real poker at the next table instead. At some point I just lose a lot of my sympathy for them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

MapleStory's problems aren't just the predatory MTX shit, which got so bad that they actually released a Reboot server that disabled a lot of this stuff, but just overall content bloat.

On top of the 5 core explorer classes (Magician, Thief, Warrior, Bowman and Pirate), there are Cygnus Knights versions of these classes, and 29 overpowered hero classes that are mostly based on the 5 aforementioned class groups

Big Bang streamlined the game excessively and ruined the overall flow of Victoria Island, making it vastly more linear. It also made Ossyria much higher levelled. Whereas for example you could probably survive in Aqua Road as a level 35, it now has a level 80 requirement. One of my characters is stuck near Ariant because they changed the second zone to be a 120 zone.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So should I play MapleStory or naw

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

do you have 10000 hours to spare?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Not unless you can afford to spend $3k/month on a glorified gacha game.