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claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.

Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.

claim 2: “but genocide joe”Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands

But trump has promised to be indisputably worse.

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If your vote doesn't matter so much, why are so many people telling us not to vote?

^^because ^^it ^^does ^^matter

Vote!

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

AMEN 💯💯💯

all this dialogue is also such a huge spit in the face to the women and POC who FOUGHT for the right to vote. yes, it’s a right with limited scope and fraught with corruption. but to discount it altogether on the public stage is so fucking disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

"Voting doesn't change anything, it's pointless and things won't get better"

Woman's suffragists, civil rights protestors, and gay rights protestors: "Are we a fucking joke to you?"

[–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve seen elections tied that had to go to a coin toss. This flipped the government of a nearby town. Every vote matters.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

The shoe that was thrown at Bush matters more than all the voting youre gonna do in your life. Dont fool yourself

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Okay, buddy.

I'm sure you are more politically relevant than we are.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I'll have a voting against trump is important with a side of fuck you genocide joe.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

That's good as long as it's acknowledged what the only viable method of voting against Trump is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

fuck joe biden. but at the same time, fuck dolan more. I'd rather have 4 more years of relative calm with a shithead that nobody likes than to be subjected to another 4 years (at a minimum) of the crazy shit which is a trump presidency.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I'll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate. At least the Democrats are not crying about suspending the US Constitution. If you vote for Putin's Sock Puppet, you're voting for a dictator.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Beyond regularly voting in solidarity. We need to start running these younger better candidates ourselves. Republicans run unopposed in many places on state ballots. And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions. We might not win all or even a large chunk of them. But we could by accident when a few and start building new coalitions from there. Making inroads into places that had given up on getting better. Voting is only the first step.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (20 children)

And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions.

Michelle Vallejo is 32. Democrats cut her funding in her election against Monica De La Cruz in the crucial last month, during an election cycle in which the party did ad buys for MAGA candidates.

Younger, better candidates run. Party leadership prefers a maga chud to a progressive in any given position.

Vallejo is running again. I hope she has alternate funding this time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's the real issue here: neoliberals are more comfortable with fascism than progressivism or socialism, but most of the younger generation is (justifiably) disillusioned with liberalism, so of course the neoliberals Democratic Party is having a hard time finding candidates it wants to support.

The solution, of course, is to kick out the fucking neolibs that have a stranglehold on the party, but that's easier said than done.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I’ll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate.

I'll vote for the lesser of two evils and don't care one bit about his age. But I consider his support for genocide to be morally repugnant, and bitterly resent being manipulated into a position where my vote renders me monstrous.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

According to Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the UN, the Obama administration absolutely committed war crimes. Voting matters, and no matter what you think of Biden he is infinitely better than Trump, but don't roll your eyes and pretend that the people complaining about extrajudicial murder-robots are crazy. Credible institutions believe Obama violated international law with his drone program, you don't get to pretend that's fake because you don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

fully agree! but your qualms about eye rolling absolutely do not apply to me, perhaps you misread some of my tone? :) see some of the body text where i note that he has blood on his hands.

my use of the “but genocide joe” phrase was a (perhaps lackluster) dig against concern-trolling; the disturbing mincing of absolutely valid criticism of Biden into a “skip-the-vote cuz it doesn’t matter” platform that is essentially thinly veiled maga propaganda.

i do see your concern with how i phrased this, as again im totally with you in condemning Genocide Joe. if you have ideas of how to better phrase this meme i’m totally down to modify the text of it. :)

PS i fully believe that obama committed war crimes. the title of this post was not ironic, i believe that statement genuinely. bro committed attrocities that are not fake. again, not sure if you were misreading the tone there.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

OK, yeah, I read this as claiming people who say, "voting doesn't matter," "genocide joe," and, "Obama is a war criminal," are all just stupid leftists. It sounds like we agree and I would have gotten more context from the post body of the post, not just the image and title. My bad. :/

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

One person is a politician, and one is a rapist con artist. I'll take the politician please.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

"Voting doesn't change anything" is a thinktank tactic of saying "Don't vote unless you're gonna vote who I discreetly like"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)

who's saying voting doesnt change anything?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And Republicans who know better and want you to stay home. They're the same ones who lie about the date of the elections.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It's fucking nuts to me that we went through this EXACT SAME PROPAGANDA in 2016. Literally. Russians and Republicans invading leftist spaces with their faux "As a lifelong Democrat" bullshit. We didn't learn.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

A bunch of assholes, not limited to Lemmy. You'll see them pop up soon.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

enough to be scary for someone who doesn’t like seeing human rights stripped

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

The fish in the meme

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In Quebec, we have a saying that I would like to share with you. It comes from our love for complaining. We are completely addicted to complaining about everything. It's our third national sport after Hockey and curling.

"If you don't vote, you can't complain"

If you vote for a person and they don't do the promised thing, you can complain. You have an ~~excuse~~ reason.

If you vote for a person and someone else gets elected, you can complain that the person you voted for would have done a better job.

If you do NOT vote, you didn't do shit. You didn't do the strict minimum. You have no excuse to complain about any of it, because you did not participate in the decision.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote.

I genuinely hate this shit, because its so nakedly dishonest.

We played the game back in 2000 with Ralph Nader and "I don't care who you vote for, so long as you vote" collapsed into "Ralph Nader helped George Bush Jr steal the election" minutes after the polls closed in Florida. Then we played it again in 2016, when Jill Stein was accused of being a Putin shill. The Republicans played it in 1992 when (not entirely unfairly, Perot reviled Bush Sr for taking a foreign policy position of reconciliation towards Vietnam) Ross was blamed for George's abysmal poll numbers following Desert Storm.

Anyone who says this, while expressing any serious degree of interest in the outcome of the election, is simply lying.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (31 children)

this post is specifically me confronting the position that elections are useless and should be avoided.

check through my comments in this post and you will find no instance of me telling someone who to vote for.

and yet you are the one coming into my comment section and calling me a liar. kindly stop it with the attacks, this is asshole behavior you are exhibiting.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Sounds like you're suffering a serious case of "First Past The Post voting".

I'm surprised you've let this condition go untreated for so long.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Vote, or don't.

The important thing is that electoralism won't solve our problems and is a waste of time for the working class.

Edit: Downvote me all you like. But I'd be interested if any of you have a plan of voting capitalism away. I'm all ears.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

huge news you’ll be happy to hear: you can do both voting and direct action. those aren’t somehow mutually exclusive. i do both. 👍 hope this helps

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

votes 3rd party

and now we let the copium roll in

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