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[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 133 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (15 children)

I am convinced this is a troll.

Retaliation to haters posted in a wholesome sub.

Pit Bulls being the most hated breed of dog out there (and for good reason).

OP calling everyone a "Dog Racist"

Each year 60% to 80% of dog attacks are caused by a single breed, fuck these animals. A Chihuahua may be more aggressive, but a person can easily fight those things off, a pit will lock onto anything and won't release till they're dead.

Retrievers retrieve, Pointers point & Pit Bulls are made to fight, its in their nature.

Edit: go ahead and down vote OP. Watch as that doesn't change my opinion.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 44 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Just a head's up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack, there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.

Anybody telling you pits are responsible for any percentage of dog attacks is lying by giving a number not scientifically achieved.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (20 children)

there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.

Do you have any evidence to support this statement? It would need to be pretty substantial to offset the large proportion of Pit Bull breeds.

I dont say this to be dismissive, I would actually be pretty interested in reading what you have.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

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[–] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 15 points 11 months ago (7 children)

In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/

In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/

In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.

https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx

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[–] illi@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd love a study on what kind of masters the bloodthirsty dogs have. I'm willing to bet those dogs had masters that encouraged the behavior or got them because the breed is macho and never intended to be responsible about it.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Plenty of breeds of dogs are bought by bad owners with the intention of being used as attack dogs. But there is no way you can write off such an overwhelming percentage of pit bull attacks to this reasoning.

Every time a pit bull attacks anything you will always see this argument brought up to defend the breed. If this was truly the case other breeds of dogs would be high up on the list too (Rottweilers and German Shepards come to mind). But they aren't even close to the percentage of Pit attacks.

Some attacks can be attributed to this fact, but because pit bulls alone make a majority of attacks across all breeds indicates that this cannot be the case.

Additionally out of all breeds of dog, I couldn't think of a worse breed biting me. All dogs attack, but many bite and release, pits don't.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, pitbulls aren't dangerous for the occurrence of attacks but because when they do they cause the most damage. Most people don't report a small dog if they cause no major damage.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Exactly. Which is the main reason I posted the fatalities graph instead of just attacks. People aren't as likely to report a small dog biting them, but you have to keep a report of deaths caused.

And an average of 67% of all fatalities is far beyond the expected amount caused by "bad owners".

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[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I did not call everyone a dog rasict, I called the person say it was good that pitbull were being put down in the UK a dog rasict. But by your logic, we should have killed all Germans in WW2 because Germany was the home on the Nazi party and killed millions of people, but that's wrong because not every Germany killed a person. And to say that we should kill something because it's "in there nature" is harmful to all life because it sets an unrealistic expectation of what it is like. I'm not gonna deny that pitbulls attack people, but a dog rarely attacks people for nothing, and often the reason is out of fear or abuse.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dude if you have to bring up Nazi Germany to defend your stance then you have already lost.

There are over 300 recognised dog breeds, and one of them is responsible for more than half of all attacks.

[–] anon987@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

There are over 1300 recognized dog breeds. And one category, pitbulls, is responsible for over 70% of all serious dog bites.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Dogs aren't people. We kill it eliminate troublesome breeds/species all the time. Ex: Japanese hornet

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[–] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 52 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I had two roommates who both had pitbulls. Both very loving owners. These dogs were treated right. But they could not coexist.

After one fight too many, one of the owners got mauled by his own dog after trying to break the dogs up. He almost lost his hand.

Ban pitbulls.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

"BuT mY WiTtLe pRiNcEsS WoUlD NeVeR HuRt a FlY!"

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 49 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Retaliation isn't very wholesome.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Especially when some power fantasy tripping mod already removed the comments in question, so there isnt even anything to retaliate in response to.

If it needs a CW(Content Warning) tag then it shouldnt be in a "wholesome" community. And yes obviously it needs that because countless people are traumatised by these kinds of dogs.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Wow, lots of people with strong feelings whose version of "I did my research!" is remembering what stories the newspapers wrote because they knew it would spark outrage and attract eyeballs, and hearsay on friend-of-a-friend stories.

So called "bully breeds" are the best dogs I've ever met. I fucking love cuddling with those meatheads. Cane Corsos, Dobermans, and Rottweilers are amazing, loyal, and loving, too.

I've been bitten and needed stitches from both a Chihuahua and a Poodle. My daughter was bit by a absolute shit of a Bichon, and my ex was bit by a Husky when she was a kid. Fuck those dogs we should outlaw and euthanize them all, right breed-banners? Or maybe it does indeed have to do a LOT with nurture, and very little with nature? (or in the case of my ex (according to her Mom) because she wouldn't stop harassing the dog).

However, I've met some nice poodles and chihuahuas and huskies too (not bichons though, little assholes), but I'm not so fucking dumb and shallow as to say we need to outlaw them all, just that owners should absolutely be responsible and liable for their pets' behaviour.

PS - OP your dogs are cute as hell. Look at those smiles!

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Chihuahuas are demonic little shits, and if they were the same size as a pitbull, they'd be banned everywhere. The only reason they're tolerated is because they're too small to do any major damage.

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Thank you, and yes, your absolutely right. Any dog is capable of violence, but I think the reason pitbulls have this reputation is because many people want them as an attack/defense dog and don't actually know how to care for them in a way that keeps them calm.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

Same could be said for Rotties, Dobermans, Shepherds, and so on. It's not the dogs that are shitty; it's the people that own them. Address that problem and leave the dogs alone FFS.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

This is the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

Sufficiently powerful projectile weapons require a license, training, etc. Dogs should be no different.

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[–] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 36 points 11 months ago

In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/

In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/

In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.

https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago

What a shitty post.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 31 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I don't really have a problem with any dog specifically.

But I don't think there is any reason to have something like a pitbull unless you absolutely need it for security.

Largely they should be bred out of existence. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't include other breeds like pugs and maybe even something like a poodle.

Pretty much every dog is great but you don't need a pitbull, get something else. For the love of god don't get a pug or I'll think you're a cunt.

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[–] Melkath@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love pitbulls.

I hate irresponsible people who don't recognize the inherent danger associated to improper handling of pitbulls who put infants right under them to walk across the room and take a pictures just to try to piss off people who recognize their potential for mauling.

Right before they leave the gate unlocked, the pitbull gets out, kills another person's dog and rips out their Achilles tendon.

"I never thought that could happen! Killer was always such a sweet and gentle dog! How could I have ever predicted this or prevented it!"

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

YES. FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES. Proper care of a dog and understanding its behavior is key to stopping accidents like maulings.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for helping me know who to block. These fucking idiots pop their heads up with their half-remembered sound bites of "facts", and the block button is really the only answer. I don't talk to prairie dogs or dust bunnies either, but these morons are more tenacious.

Also, here's my darling boy rescue (from a "foster" that had him on Prozac as a puppy rather than CARE for him — cut from the same cloth as these assclowns 😭🤬🖕🏽), for solidarity and reference: while he's technically a Staffordshire-Boxer, I've raised my fair share of Pitty rescues, including an Akita-Pit that was a champion of everyone and smarter than the average human by far. 🥰

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Your dog as absolutely beautiful.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago

If you as an owner allow an "accident" like that, you should go to jail for years and never be allowed to own any pets for the rest of your life.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I like pitbulls and don't know if this is bait (perhaps you didn't realize the obvious response you'd get?) but this post should be removed either way.

Worst comment section I've ever seen in this community

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

There's two types of people: those who hate pitbulls, and those who's pitbull hasn't mauled someone yet.

[–] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Those aren't actually OPs dogs. This is a bait.

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[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is by far the worst thread I've seen on this site. Go back to Reddit, y'all.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

We're all very disappointed with your attitude.

[–] dog_@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every single pitbull I've met has been nothing but loving and kind. I understand the context about people who don't like them as they've probably seen things in the media about how pitbulls act, or something in a similar nature. I would believe that the media is just trying to get you scared, as I remember one time with a different story about a city I live nearby to, and how I said I was scared to go into the city due to the gun violence, when one of the people who live in the city said that they live in the hood, and have no trouble getting to where they need to go, which personally made me feel a lot better. That's what I currently believe this situation is like. I do understand that this may not change some opinions with some people, just think about it, please.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You're dismissing the people who have made their opinion from the overwhelming scientific data on this subject.

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[–] qwertilliopasd@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

I just want to scritch their cute memoryfoam heads.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Just wondering? How hard is it for some of you to say "aww cute, doggy"or something like that?

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[–] Mastengwe@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They’re adorable. Fuck the haters and love those dogs even more for it.

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