Gd, when even fucking Erdogan thinks you're going too far. I know they're a usually antagonistic force to the West, but they are a real player in the region, so this is still good pressure on Israel. Even if it happens to be opportunistic.
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Turkey/Erdogan aligns with the West most of the time. He's antagonistic sometimes, and that's what makes headlines so is the image most people have developed of him. He's been staunchly pro-Palestine since he took office in 2003, and has had pretty poor relations with Israel for almost the entire last 20 years, so this is not surprising
Damn, rare W from Erdogan here
It's coincidental.
I can't believe joe brandon and snoozin trump are being outflanked on the left by a right wing dictator. Broken clock or something I guess.
Erdoğan resisted this as long as possible. But the public opinion in Turkey is so strongly anti-genocide right now that he was forced into this by the opposition.
Erdoğan loves to talk tough on Israel, but normally he doesn't actually follow up.
Turkey is strongly anti-genocide as long as it doesn't involve Kurds or Armenians, then they are completely pro-genocide.
*the Turkish nationalists.
There's millions of lovely and non-genocidal people in Turkey. Source: learning Turkish since 2015 and travel there a lot
Fun fact. Azerbaijan and Israel are allies. Israel receives most of its Oil and Gas from Azerbaijan, Israeli drones helped murder Armenians in the last war and Israel has a deal going on with the azerbaijani oil and gas company to developed the Gas fields they want to steal from the Palestinians at the coast of Gaza.
So if you want to be against genocide against Armenians it is a good way to go about being against supporting Israel.
Overwhelmingly Muslim country with a head of government who has reinforced their Muslim identity to safeguard his own power. This doesn't have as much to do with leftism or humanitarism as it has to do with being somewhat coherent with their declared in-group, lest their own base turns against them. I think the move is good though, even if I don't trust their reasons.
While they do make it sound good, I wouldn't be sure this is coming from a leftist ideal. More than likely this is about power, because it's always about power (not just for Turkey, but for every nation). There's something Turkey gains by doing this. I don't really know what, but I can promise you it's there.
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"Humanitarian tragedy"
Just say "genocide", cowards.
If you trick him into saying that word he gets banished to his dimension
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This is saying a lot, knowing Turkey.
Let’s make no mistake, this dude isn’t doing this out of some semblance of morals. Dudes an authoritarian dictator
He was forced into doing this by the opposition. The opposition won a major election against Erdo in March, and Israel was a major point he got hit on.
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A right-wing dictator fighting another right-wing dictator. Kinda funny
Eh, that's the thing with nationalism. You can have allies of convenience but conflict is inevitable.
That's why Nationalism is dumb as hell
Willing to bet real money that the US has a stronger reaction to Turkey doing this than to Israel actually doing genocide.
A good move by Turkey.
At the surface level - itd call it moralistic at best.
~~Whether it was a good move - Israel is something like 76% of Turkey exports. You think that will bode well for jobs and general quality of life?~~
Sorry, looks like it's much less. Going to have to go back and check where I found that.
Edit: great, now confused. I think it's 76% of Israel imports was turkey exports. Source is Bloomberg, but posted on .ml
Its so refreshing to see actual data instead of people just constantly making shit up
Still verify when you can. AI will get better at spitting out graphics like this.
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Found it - 76% of Israel import from Turkey
Although it was a misreading, I do appreciate you making the effort to come back with a source.
Thank you for sticking to facts and data instead of accusation and personal assumptions
That says Turkish exports constituted 76% of the total bilateral trade amount between the two countries. They both have many larger trading partners separate from their bilateral trade relationship
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Are you some kind of CEO? You're implying that you should abandon your morals if it hurts your bottom line.
You wanted to insult the Turkish government but you just wound up making them sound awesome
When you as a government are talking about the welfare of your people, yes, I expect them to look after their own.
Another person clarified eairler - looks like my number was ~20× inflated. Will need to check my source as that changed the effects considerably.
Thanks to the complexities or modern geopolitics and culture, as well as pressure from Turkish public opinion, just this time Erdoğan is on the right side of History.
Turkey is invading Rojava/Kurdistan right now. What a fucking double standard.
You mean Syria?
Kurds deserve their own state as much as plaestinians do. But colonial nations back in the past fucked up.
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he would never do that, if the second biggest islamic party, known as yeniden refah partisi, didn't say so. some ak parti voters, voted to yeniden refah partisi, just because they didn't want this to continue. fatih erbakan, who is in charge of that party, probably will cause more problems in the future for erdogan
Erdogan stopped wagging his ZIonist tail real quick after his massive losses in the recent election
what's fucking funny is that, turkish journalists had already reported his transactions to israel way before the election, it didn't made it to news, even opposition parties didn't talked about it.
Finally, it took him long enough.