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Wow, who could have anticipated that kernel-level anti-cheat was a bad idea? It's like people haven't been warning that giving an increasing number of programs that level of access might be a Bad Idea.
Kernel-level anti cheat is spyware, say it with me everybody. Complain on steam about it. Post this nonstop. This standard is NOT OK and needs to change and that's the only way it might.
Why complain on Steam? If I remember correctly, League of Legends is downloaded through its own installer and it's completely separate to Steam
It used to be on Steam
When?
Around 12 years ago lol
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I would never let some random anticheat code have kernel access. Games are demanding something crazy, and users are stupidly letting them get it.
It's not just silently installed by Steam, or something, they have to explicitly confirm they accept it? I don't play this game, I am curious if players are unaware or actively stupid.
Riot's games can only be played with their own launcher, so no steam. They give a big message about "now installing vanguard, our anticheat," then inform you to reboot to finish the install, since vanguard is the only ring 0 anticheat that puts itself into the kernel start up, always running.
Yes
Some are unaware, but most are actively stupid. Bring this topic up in any helldiver's thread and you'll get down voted to oblivion.
I I stalled helldiver's and didn't realize I was doing that.
I'm not exactly savvy though.
The first time I installed Vanguard, for the Valorant beta, it decided to disable my mouse and keyboard on each boot.
Well, you can't cheat if you can't do anything
This is why I absolutely refuse to install Valorant (and now LoL) - I could somewhat understand if an anticheat refused to boot up the game in question if something triggered it, but it going massively outside of its scope and wantonly disabling or killing other processes is just nuts to me.
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This is either the final nail on the coffin for playing league on linux or it will motivate linux devs to figure out a way around it. I don’t play league but I did enjoy playing TFT with friends always on Linux.
TFT can at least be played via android (or emulator)
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I doubt there sustainable way around a kernel anticheat, that will not get you banned eventually. People either have to quit or dual boot.
I installed Fortnite to check out the LEGO mode without realizing EAC was a rootkit and the next Windows update bricked my PC.
I've never had any issues with EAC, it's probably one of the least invasive kernel-level anticheats out there (with vanguard being the most invasive)
Have you actually audited its behavior? Both are proprietary and any kernel module is inherently dangerous.
Even ones like easy anticheat have given me problems where if a game didn't exit properly my whole system got bogged down and required a restart.
One of my favourite games to have kernel level anticheat is Helldivers 2, and I think it's definitely caused a few issues for me.
Helldivers 2 works on Linux even with the anti cheat unlike Valorant so there must be some differences there.
Riot's Vanguard is the only one that needs to start with boot, and always run in the background. Others can initialize and close when the game is done, IIRC. Which is why they can work with proton/wine.
Vanguard is always running? More reason for me to never go back to League I guess.
DotA is freedom, you can do crazy fun builds
HOTS is the better game but DOTA has mod tools
Supposedly it falls back to usermode anticheat on linux. That's what I heard but there wasn't a source, so could be BS.
It's really sad that they chose to implement it. I would've loved to play Helldivers 2 but I just refuse to allow them that level of access to my device, especially for a game that isn't even competitive.
Their explanation for it makes sense though. They were running into the problem that a player could cheat and progress their games faster, etc. Since HD2 is essentially a MASSIVE, single DnD campaign that every player is a part of, those cheaters would break the campaign progress and ruin it for every single other player.
They also include shortcuts to install and uninstall only the anticheat. So you can remove it immediately once you finish playing.
I'm curious, where are those shortcuts?
If you go to it's steam install folder: Hell Divers 2 -> tools -> GGSetup.exe and gguninst.exe
Good to know, thanks!
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That's where I'm at with the game.
Like yeah it looks fun, I'm not willingly installing malware. Especially after the apex legends debacle.
Thankfully on linux we have tools to heavily limit it's access such as firejail. It doesn't just get unrestricted root access
Others simply dubbed it “malware” and declared they would be quitting League until the program stopped breaking PCs.
Silly that malware is okay once it stops interfering with your day to day
just play other mobas
There’s realistic only DotA and I can understand the reluctance, the two games are massively different, League is much more suited for casual play.
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what about making actual authoritative servers?
that would break most cheats except *-bots
also there's usually no need to replicate the entire game state on all clients, some details like movements of players out of view can be omitted (ofc this doesn't apply to lol but whatever)
But that`s haaaaaaard tho… :(
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I loved the way CS:GO1 had an anticheat program called Overwatch. If you are experienced enough and a trusted user, you can review games that players have reported and ban the cheaters if you deem them cheating. I don't know if csgo2 has this but I haven't seen it so far.
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