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[–] [email protected] 205 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In an interview with the Journal, Neuralink's first patient, 29-year-old Noland Arbaugh, opened up about the roller-coaster experience. "I was on such a high and then to be brought down that low. It was very, very hard," Arbaugh said. "I cried." He initially asked if Neuralink would perform another surgery to fix or replace the implant, but the company declined, telling him it wanted to wait for more information.

Neuralink isn’t just treating humans like guinea pigs, they’re treating them like disposable guinea pigs.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You cherry-picked the first part of that paragraph. The end goes like this:

Arbaugh went on to say that he has since recovered from the initial disappointment and continues to have hope for the technology.

And then the next part of his statement is found in the following paragraph:

"I thought that I had just gotten to, you know, scratch the surface of this amazing technology, and then it was all going to be taken away," he added. "But it only took me a few days to really recover from that and realize that everything I’ve done up to that point was going to benefit everyone who came after me.” He also said that "it seems like we’ve learned a lot and it seems like things are going in the right direction."

Of course, the goal here is not to have an honest assessment of what happened. . .but to simply choose what we want to further our hatred (justified, IMO) of Musk.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

None of that concerns Neuralink’s treatment of him—just his process of learning to live with it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And nothing about what you quoted indicates what he was or was not told about the potential outcomes of the procedure, or how he was treated. Only that he was disappointed with the outcome. Of course he was, of course he wanted it to work out, so of course he was disappointed.

I stand by my point that only the negative part of his statement was cherry-picked out in order to justify shitting on Musk, rather than honestly assessing what happened.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

My criticism of Neuralink’s response has nothing to do with whether or not the first patient was treated unfairly. It’s that it reveals Neuralink’s priorities: they had a choice going forward of trying to fix the first patient’s implant or giving up and starting over with a fresh patient, and they chose the latter.

In animal testing, that decision would depend on how valuable the guinea pigs are.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Okay, no. As much of an issue as I have with musk and the way he bullrushes into these things, this really was the right response at this point.

It's a new tech. That goes into someone's brain. You do not just go rutting around up there if the first attempt failed, and further tests (which have a significant element of risk) shouldn't be in the brain that's already been through this, not until it's much better tuned.

Brain surgery isn't a minor procedure.

If they're able to fix it for him, there's a fair chance they will, I'd imagine.

But continuing to dig around after that failure is what treating him like a disposable Guinea pig would look like because that's how they'd very likely kill him or substantially diminish his quality of life with brain damage.

There are lots of real reasons to hate musk. This isn't one of them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

My guess is you know nothing about this. They may think reinserting them is too risky for the patient because they don't know. You're almost certainly just making up facts to justify your conclusions, rather than assessing the facts and coming to a conclusion based on them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

No? That’s insane. “We don’t k ow exactly what’s going on, but we are going to go poke around inside- oh shit he’s dead, if only we had waited until things stabilized and we had the information we needed.”

Come on, don’t be ridiculous. “Try to fix it” could easily result in a dead patient, and I’m sure you’d be all for praising their attempt to fix it, right?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'm sure he was as he isn't living under a rock. He agreed to this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Thank you for showing how much bias is on this website and standing up for it.

People really need to chill out with their preconceived notions.

This website is going to be a shower of shit if it just people circle jerking.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could actually read the article. The guy is glad to have helped make some one else's life better. He doesn't have brain damage and he is not dead nor is he worse off.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh boy he's a currently happy disposable guinea pig, that makes it all better!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

God forbid an adult of sound mind is allowed to decide what to do with his own body.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The patient fully embraced the Elon propaganda and spouted his praises on the dozens of media interviews he agreed to.

No sympathy for someone who invited a leopard into their house to catch the mice

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

If such a person doesn't deserve sympathy, who does?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, everyone who signs up for experimental medical trials is a stooge.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Neuralink, owned by controversial billionaire Elon Musk, believes it can prevent thread movement in the next patient by simply implanting the fine wires deeper into brain tissue. The company is planning on—and the FDA has reportedly signed off on—implanting the threads 8 millimeters into the brain of the second trial participant rather than the 3 mm to 5 mm depth used in Arbaugh's implantation.

Yeah, "just shove it in deeper" sounds like a brilliant plan.

Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but if I was that second patient I wouldn't exactly be feeling super confident about their approach.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah, “just shove it in deeper” sounds like a brilliant plan.

Does your past experience in brain surgery suggest that this might be a bad idea?

They're volunteers with next to nothing to lose. This isn't some healthy person who just wants to play angry birds with their mind. They're getting an experimental device planted into their brain. I'm sure they're aware of the risks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You'd think somewhere amongst the literal thousands of animals they maimed and killed, they'd have figured out how to prevent a simple mechanical issue like "the electrodes won't stay in place"

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man I deleted my account because I didn’t want Musk involved in my newsfeed. I can’t imagine giving that fool direct access to my brain.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

"All Hail Elon"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

There really is a Spongebob gif for everything, isn't there...

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All hardware becomes legacy hardware in time. Even if we assume they're eventually able to deliver on all those great big shiny promises, I'd rather not have to schedule an outpatient surgery just to keep up on emails. Pocket touchscreens being practically mandatory is bad enough...

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Someone paralyzed from the neck down for whom this enables the use of computers, which they before couldn't do, probably would rather have the outdated model than none

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bro, just a few more disabled people sacrificed to the machine and I swear we’ll get it right! Move fast, break things! Technology always good!

Everyone like a week and a half ago pitching a fit over me saying that this is an unethical way to treat disabled people can go fuck themselves, lol.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The dude is fine and actually pretty lucky. Its sad that it stopped working but its not like he died or something.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop letting this shit head do what ever he wants!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Imagine when they put ads directly into your brain.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

First we had piles of monkeys, now piles of paralyzied people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Relax, the guy is fine.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a world we live in, huh?

We've got corporations who've successfully contaminated the world with their waste in a systematic fashion.

We've got corporations who've blindsided the political system.

We've got corporations who've blindsided affordable living.

We've got corporations who've given us a filtered and artificial companion in AI.

And now we've got a company that is actively seeking ways possible to ruin your way of being and living through chip implanting.

Enjoy the world, people.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I almost want to work there just to know exactly how it all went down. Plus who knows maybe I could help.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure wtf they expected to happen when they aren't addressing the core problem with neural interfaces. Fix scar tissue buildup around the electrodes or GTFO

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